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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
The change is not in man's capacity to act immorally, it is in our reluctance to enforce discipline. You cannot legislate morality, but you can punish unacceptable behavior.

I agree, in part. The raw capacity to act immorally can be traced to the Fall. But social morality waxes and wanes. The points that I'm trying to make are twofold. First, social morality isn't just waning, it's collapsing. Secondly, bus BJs haven't arisen because of a lack of discipline on the bus, but because children raised in an amoral environment (school/media/arts) have accepted the idea that bus BJs are normative, or at least within the pale. Even back in the Zep/Alice Cooper/Black Sabbath years, this kind of thing was unimaginable.

303 posted on 05/19/2004 11:10:32 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan

In honest response, I see the cultural waning, but do not see the collapse coming, in fact I think the waning may be slowing quite a bit in comparison to 5 or 6 years ago. It is very hard to judge, though, while living through it.

Most of my responses on this thread have dealt with the idea that somehow we as Americans can learn how to be moral people by observing or uniting with Islam. It is just a ridiculous idea. Islamic culture has never been the paragon of moral society, and it isn't even when compared to the lowest point of American morality.


324 posted on 05/19/2004 11:54:36 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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