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Army, CIA want torture truths exposed
UPI ^ | 5/18/04 | Martin Sieff

Posted on 05/18/2004 8:12:29 AM PDT by TexKat

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1 posted on 05/18/2004 8:12:30 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: TexKat

Get Rumsfield...


2 posted on 05/18/2004 8:17:16 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: TexKat

The Army and the CIA have groups of nearly mutinous officials who have hated Rumsfeld's (and Bush's) challenge to their self-perceived importance, and who are willing to feed crap to that liar Hersh to accomplish their goals.


3 posted on 05/18/2004 8:17:46 AM PDT by pierrem15
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To: TexKat

Isn't Hersh the dingbat who said he had proof of JFK's affair with Marylin Monroe, then refused to accept that his evidence was bogus, even after someone pointed out that letters he held up as evidence had zip codes before the invention of zip codes.


4 posted on 05/18/2004 8:18:42 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: js1138

I believe he is one and the same.


5 posted on 05/18/2004 8:21:53 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

The media smell blood and aren't going to let this go. They will drag this out as long as they can.


6 posted on 05/18/2004 8:26:56 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: TexKat
Just a Media Hail-Mary pass in their now-dead effort to get Rumsfeld. It is over. The guilty troops are testifying that their Chain of Command had no idea what they were doing. The WMD has knocked the story from the front pages.
7 posted on 05/18/2004 8:30:53 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: TexKat

This is baloney.


8 posted on 05/18/2004 8:32:53 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, a pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Exactly. This one is on life support. Notice how everything now hangs on one reporter's story whose methods and "sources" are, to say the least, questionable. The facts are indeed running against them and they know it.


9 posted on 05/18/2004 8:36:37 AM PDT by jayef
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To: Tennessean4Bush

No story. No legs at all.


10 posted on 05/18/2004 8:36:48 AM PDT by BillyCrockett
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Who OK'd Iraqi abuse?

The Pentagon's denial is no explanation; Rumsfeld needs to answer the charge that he approved maltreating inmates and say whether Bush knew.

11 posted on 05/18/2004 8:44:25 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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This is an editorial masquerading as news.


12 posted on 05/18/2004 8:46:29 AM PDT by johniegrad
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HEY!! Where's the MegaBarf alert?? I'm surprised the stupid idiot Ron Peters or whatever his name was wasn't mentioned in this article. I couldn't see the picture just heard a voice on Cavuto the other day and the quality of the bitterness towards Rumsfield was unquestionably pegged to Peters. His ilk are the types that have a HUGE axe to grind.


13 posted on 05/18/2004 8:50:22 AM PDT by time4good
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To: jayef

It is not even on life support. This is just an open coffin wake. It is gone. A some real damage to Bush but not the damage they had hoped for. I bey he recovers from it. It reamins to be seen but they may have damaged themselves a bit. I hope so.


14 posted on 05/18/2004 8:52:47 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: TexKat

He keeps talking about new waves of revelations.

I haven't seen any waves of revelations--merely the carefully written 'shock' article by Hersh, quoting lots of retired officials (who probably don't know s...) about their speculations.


15 posted on 05/18/2004 8:56:37 AM PDT by wildbill
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(e-mail to UPI)

Hey UPI -

Tell the liar Marxist Martin Sieff that I'm not buying his Nazi propaganda. Try telling your fairy tales to wide-eyed little children at the democrat convention this summer. If that doesn't work, goosestep over to Iraq and find a few terrorists. I'm sure your mass-murdering terrorist buddies will believe you.


16 posted on 05/18/2004 8:57:05 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Gen. Custer wore an Arrowsmith shirt to his last property owner convention.)
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To: TexKat
Sounds like a win-win scenario for this 'writer' and the get-Bush klan: either they take Rummy down in shame and use that brush on the entire administration until November, or Bush keeps Rummy and they use that to paint Bush as complicit until November.

Either way we are doomed to watch and listen to Abu Ghraib ad nauseum. If a volcano suddenly blasted an entire continent off the face of the Earth, as soon as the news alert timed out they'd be back to torture! shame! US falls! more video at 11!

17 posted on 05/18/2004 8:58:38 AM PDT by Sender (<a href="http://www.democrats.org/">Miserable Failure</a>)
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To: TexKat

As I've said in other posts, I'd be surprised and disappointed if there wasn't an SAP program. Of course the CIA was interrogating under the radar after 9-11.

But if the story is correct and Rumsfeld brought it into a static environment and expanded the number of people who knew about it, he SHOULD be fired.

Things don't stay secret if you tell lots of people.


18 posted on 05/18/2004 8:59:24 AM PDT by PolitBase
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To: Sender

Doomed to listen? You don't have an OFF button?


19 posted on 05/18/2004 9:02:47 AM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: TexKat
Efforts at the top level of the Bush administration and the civilian echelon of the Department of Defense to contain the Iraq prison torture scandal and limit the blame to a handful of enlisted soldiers and immediate senior officers have already failed: The scandal continues to metastasize by the day.

No bias there--just straight news.

20 posted on 05/18/2004 9:03:13 AM PDT by TankerKC (R.I.P. Spc Trevor A. Win'E American Hero)
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