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To: Petronski
On the other hand, you castigate me about poor debate skills, yet it seems those who don't agree with you are always asses or jackasses?

Yep, I disagree with your debate skills, not that the skills themselves are poor - you're quite skilled at debate. It's your tactics that are wanting. When you so obviously misconstrue what someone says, then I chastise that. And with every right to do so as a matter of self defense - as though it were neeeded. Everyone present can read for themselves and see what you're doing, so why you think you're getting by with something is beyond me. And for that, I would say you are acting like a jackass. But I don't go to the extent of labeling everyone that way who disagrees with me. Just the ones that act as you do in lying willfully about what I've said in the first place. The ones who just honestly disagree don't seem to feel the need to lie about me in the doing. I've no problem with that.

I personally believe Homosexuality is a sin and a morally bankrupt lifestyle if not sleazy and sickening. People disagree with me. That doesn't make them vile, they just don't have the same spiritual or moral grounding I have. And that is where debate comes in. One side or the other may never win; but, at least one can hope the two sides can come to understand the other and still be as respectful as possible. I may not respect other people's beliefs; but, I respect their right to hold them and I respect them as human beings. And if my ideas are correct to begin with, they stand on their own. When one has to employ deciet, lies, and the like, one knows at the outset that their ideas are wanting or they wouldn't need to lie in there presentation - that's debate 101 and common sense 101.

Advertising something as a real fake doesn't sell; but, if you say it's real "faux", they are more likely to buy into it not understanding the word. That's a more obvious form of deciet that is easily conquered by knowledge. Just as with some of your relentless twistings. I have to guess about your motivations.. but, the motivation for lying and deciet in attacking someone is usually a matter of weakness. So, I'm not sure what your ultimate point is. If your argument or stance is so week you have to resort to that behavior, I'm not significantly moved by your handwringing about my pointing it out to others. I would be moved if you straightened up and stopped acting deceitfully so that we could talk like grown ups. You're the only one not allowing that to happen.

363 posted on 05/16/2004 6:39:16 PM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: Havoc
Just the ones that act as you do in lying willfully about what I've said in the first place.

The record speaks for itself. And the stock of your credibility continues to slide.

First rule when you're in a hole: stop digging.

364 posted on 05/16/2004 6:42:06 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: Havoc

Pomposity is not attractive.


368 posted on 05/16/2004 6:45:24 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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