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Guard drivers in Iraq did ride in trucks with civilians, Army says
St. Louis Post Dispatch ^ | 5/13/04 | Terry Ganey

Posted on 05/13/2004 4:47:23 PM PDT by StarCMC

JEFFERSON CITY - An Army spokesman confirmed Wednesday that Missouri National Guard truck drivers were sometimes riding shotgun in the cabs of civilian trucks hauling supplies to U.S. forces in Iraq.

Gov. Bob Holden and the state adjutant general, Brig. Gen. Dennis Shull, have complained to the White House about the practice, saying it is a dangerous duty the soldiers have not been trained to perform.

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Holden wrote a letter of complaint Tuesday to President George W. Bush saying it was an inappropriate use of members of the 1221st Transportation Co. to provide labor for civilian contractors such as Kellogg, Brown and Root. He wrote the letter in response to complaints from the families of some soldiers.

Joe Boyd, an Army reservist who returned from Iraq in April, said Kellogg, Brown and Root was helping units like the 1221st by reducing workloads. Boyd is a captain in the 969th Transportation Detachment, an Army Reserve unit based in Belleville that sometimes worked with soldiers in the 1221st.

Boyd said that without civilian contractors like Kellogg, Brown and Root, soldiers would be deployed longer in Iraq.

"It's a touchy situation, I understand," Boyd said, "but I think the governor and adjutant general are missing the point.

"There are risks involved. At the same time, the civilian drivers take the added stress of driving away from the soldiers."

Boyd said that when he left Iraq in April, soldiers were providing security in civilian convoys by riding in gun trucks. He said soldiers were not riding in the cabs with civilian drivers, but that if they were, he didn't see a problem.

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Reporter Terry Ganey E-mail: tganey@post-dispatch.com Phone: 573-635-6178

(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Missouri; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bobholden; iraq; nationalguard
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The Army Reservist, Joe Boyd, is a member of my brother's unit! GREAT guy!

OTB is outing himself yet again as an idiot!

1 posted on 05/13/2004 4:47:25 PM PDT by StarCMC
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To: Missouri; Agitate; Old Sarge; kjfine

Missouri National Guard ping...

Bob Holden is an idiot!


2 posted on 05/13/2004 4:48:33 PM PDT by StarCMC (Please pray for the 2/7 Marines and Josh.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; tomkow6; LindaSOG

One of my bro's soldier's quoted in today's paper....


3 posted on 05/13/2004 4:53:50 PM PDT by StarCMC (Please pray for the 2/7 Marines and Josh.)
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To: StarCMC

Once again, Bob "One-Term" Holden shows what a goofball he is. Members of his own party can't stand him, and that's something when Democrats won't back you.


4 posted on 05/13/2004 5:01:14 PM PDT by scott7278 ("FR will NOT be used to help replace Bush with a Democrat." -- Jim Robinson, 2/01/04)
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And if I read the original breaking news article right, he was complaining that the soldiers were driving the civilians around, making it sound like they were caddies.


5 posted on 05/13/2004 5:02:37 PM PDT by scott7278 ("FR will NOT be used to help replace Bush with a Democrat." -- Jim Robinson, 2/01/04)
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To: StarCMC

"dangerous duty the soldiers have not been trained to perform"

Missouri National Guard troops aren't trained to provide security?


6 posted on 05/13/2004 5:06:13 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: scott7278

And since I live in Missouri I get to vote against him. Can't wait. How can a state that prodeced Harry Truman produce idiots like Holden and Gephardt?


7 posted on 05/13/2004 5:15:21 PM PDT by barker (Normal people scare me.)
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"How can a state that prodeced Harry Truman produce idiots like Holden and Gephardt?"

I don't know, but somehow we've come out alright. Jim Talent beat Jean Carnahan for the U.S. Senate, John Ashcroft is now our Attorney General, Gephardt is quitting, and Holden will cetainly lose one way or the other, maybe even to Claire McCaskill in the August primary.

I came across this quote by Holden and had to laugh:

"I'm not worried about the campaign. I'm worried about being a good governor for the state of Missouri," he said.

Kinda late, isn't it, when you're still worrying about being a good governor NEARING THE ELECTIONS!!!

9 posted on 05/13/2004 5:27:35 PM PDT by scott7278 ("FR will NOT be used to help replace Bush with a Democrat." -- Jim Robinson, 2/01/04)
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To: StarCMC
Just talked with a friend who recently returned from Iraq in April hauling jet fuel for Haliburton from south of Baghdad to Anaconda. His convoy of 25 trucks got the snot hammered out of them on Good Friday (I think he said they left 3 trucks with 6,000 gal each of fuel burning on the road), most of the drivers in the convoy quit immediately and headed home. He said at the time they only had three army vehicles (MP's) with the entire convoy. He has since talked to some of the drivers who remained and said they now have a shooter (Army) in every third vehicle and they've cut down the size of the convoys. The drivers like that much better since they could not carry weapons and this way feel like they have at least a little more cover.

Holden is a fool, he has no idea what's going on over there. Seems to me the military has some interest in protecting American civilians whether Holden likes it or not.
10 posted on 05/13/2004 5:31:46 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: StarCMC; LindaSOG; Eagle Eye; Allegra
Thanks for the post and the ping!

How do our reporters find the one complainer in the bunch? That's some 'radar.'

The troops certainly know that our brave civilian allies are risking their lives to help them stabilize Iraq - over 100,000 civilians before the troop rotation and April's increased attacks - traveling RPG alley, building showers at bases, schools in villages - doctors, business leaders, electricians - and security guards...many - combat Veterans, there to help the younger troops.

Star, please tell your brother to pass on a grateful thanks to his sensible friend from me. Thank you!

11 posted on 05/13/2004 5:37:13 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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On a thread the other day someone was wanting to get a special bumper sticker made. Turned out there is already one for sale on the internet. Bumper sticker read "Cheney/Ashcroft 2008". Bet that would drive a lib nuts if they weren't already.
12 posted on 05/13/2004 5:37:26 PM PDT by barker (Normal people scare me.)
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...Gov. Bob Holden and the state adjutant general, Brig. Gen. Dennis Shull..

(How do our reporters find the one complainer in the bunch?)

It pays to read the article first, lol.

Correction: two experienced 'politicians' - safe on the homefront - of course know where to find our press.

13 posted on 05/13/2004 5:49:49 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: bereanway
Holden is a fool, he has no idea what's going on over there.

Holden is a Democrat. That he's a fool goes without saying...

14 posted on 05/13/2004 5:54:14 PM PDT by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: barker

That would give them a heart attack, to be sure.


15 posted on 05/13/2004 5:59:46 PM PDT by scott7278 ("FR will NOT be used to help replace Bush with a Democrat." -- Jim Robinson, 2/01/04)
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To: StarCMC

OTB? One-term Bob? That's funny.


16 posted on 05/13/2004 6:01:29 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: Petronski

YEah - One Term Bob. No way he'll get 2!! Not over my dead body!


17 posted on 05/13/2004 6:13:34 PM PDT by StarCMC (Please pray for the 2/7 Marines and Josh.)
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To: bereanway

In VN ( I hate to keep bringing up VN, but my only experience), we used 4 march orders on a convoy. first march order had flammables, gasoline and jet fuel.

The thinking was that the VC would try to hit the first march order, and the more the convoy rolled on toward the ambush, the more guns were massed on Charlie.

In addition, the drivers and shotguns had the ability to be picked up by the remaining 3 march orders.

To put a truck out there in convoy or alone is inviting disaster if they don't have a shotgunner.

The MO gov is an idiot.


18 posted on 05/13/2004 6:24:24 PM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: Agitate; StarCMC; TheEngineer; Bahbah; EagleMamaMT; LIB_CRUSHER; kid_in_kc; Jesse from Missouri; ...

Ping.


19 posted on 05/13/2004 7:44:56 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: LindaSOG

Thanks for the ping!


20 posted on 05/13/2004 8:09:50 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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