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To: ggordon22; .30Carbine
Exploitation of the poor, usually by the "producers," is also immoral and unethical (and commonplace).

And illegal so that's a non-issue.

The "poor" are not producers? Tell that to the countless working poor who scrape by on minimum wage salaries.

Very few people "scrape by" on minimum wage salaries. Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs the majority of which are held by students. Even most illegals hold jobs at higher than minimum wage. But the question remains; why should a man who earns a good salary have some of it confiscated and given to someone who earns less? Moral and ethical?

At what point is a fetus a human?

According to the Sutras, the Bible, Science and common sense human life begins at conception. Not complex at all. Perhaps the figures in this post will help you understand who is having abortions and why.

I notice that conservatives get apoplectic at the notion of "reverse" discrimination, ...

Meaning that you are not a conservative or that "reverse" discrimination is acceptable in your view? I'm shocked. Looks like .30Carbine was right.

... but are usually not the first to defend Arab-Americans and others who are regularly discriminated against.

What Arab-Americans have been discriminated against and in what way? Please provide a link to some supporting evidence.

Yes, prayer should be banned in public schools. Period.

OK. Should the teachings of Islam be banned from public schools along with acting out of Muslim rituals by students on the same grounds?

134 posted on 05/11/2004 6:22:14 PM PDT by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schindler-Schiavo)
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To: TigersEye
Exploitation of the poor, usually by the "producers," is also immoral and unethical (and commonplace).

And illegal so that's a non-issue.

As non sequiturs go, that one's a doozy. Exploitation of the poor is not only legal but pervasive; overseas, it is evident in the sweatshops that support companies like Nike and just about every clothing line offered in the U.S.

Very few people "scrape by" on minimum wage salaries. Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs the majority of which are held by students. Even most illegals hold jobs at higher than minimum wage. But the question remains; why should a man who earns a good salary have some of it confiscated and given to someone who earns less? Moral and ethical?

Many people scrape by on minimum-wage or low-wage salaries. Look at employee data for Wal-Mart, McDonald's and other companies that depend on a low-wage labor force. Sure some of them are kids, but a signficant percentage are poor adults who work hard and see little return. Yet the government does not fail to tax them. Why should a man who earns little have his salary confiscatedt?

According to the Sutras, the Bible, Science and common sense human life begins at conception.

That's a pretty big claim you're making for "Science." Many scientists would argue that an unfertilized egg is technically 'alive.' Whether it is human is another issue. I am sure you could find a couple of scientists who could tell you that although a fertilized egg is also 'alive' (in the sense of being a living thing), there is no way to determine its 'humanness,' except by a private moral decision. There are millions of miscarriages each year in America within the first few weeks of pregnancy; is each one of these the death of a person? If so, the mortality rate is about to take on a steeper curve.

What Arab-Americans have been discriminated against and in what way? Please provide a link to some supporting evidence.

If you want some stories and news reports of Arab-American discrimination, post 9/11, check here. Or just talk to a person who looks Middle Eastern about what's it's like to regularly cross a border into the U.S., regardless of their citizenship. Anti-Arab racism is also rampant all over the Internet; anytime someone talks about what animals "they" are, they are guilty of racism.

Should the teachings of Islam be banned from public schools along with acting out of Muslim rituals by students on the same grounds?

Yes. The teachings of any religion, Islam, Christianity or Zoroastrianism, should not be promoted by a public school.

135 posted on 05/11/2004 10:50:58 PM PDT by ggordon22
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