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To: sinkspur
"It is not up to the guards to mete out punishment."

When a prisoner fails to do what he is told in an American prison, a five man team dressed in riot gear opens his cell door and thumps his ass but good, it's not considered punishment, it's considered maintaining order.

We do not know the rap sheet on the Iraqi prisoners, but one thing is for sure, they are not in the prison for writing a bad check, they're trained killers captured on the battle field while trying to kill our Soldiers or planning terrorist attacks on our troops.

Nothing I have seen so far can be labeled torture, just humiliation. The Geneva Conventions were violated when 60 Minutes II broadcasted the photo's, until then, there was no humiliation shown to the public or the world

95 posted on 05/09/2004 7:59:53 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Our Injured Soldiers at Walter Reed Have Yet to be Visited by John Kerry. What's he Afraid of?)
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To: MJY1288
absolutely, I saw that same show on Discovery Channel about tactics used in the federal prison at Marion Illinois.
97 posted on 05/09/2004 8:01:23 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: MJY1288
Nothing I have seen so far can be labeled torture, just humiliation. The Geneva Conventions were violated when 60 Minutes II broadcasted the photo's, until then, there was no humiliation shown to the public or the world

With all due respect, no one is seriously saying this is torture.

But, if you see nothing wrong with stacking naked prisoners on top of each other, or loosing snarling dogs at naked prisoners, then you have a problem.

109 posted on 05/09/2004 8:10:01 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: MJY1288
When a prisoner fails to do what he is told in an American prison, a five man team dressed in riot gear opens his cell door and thumps his ass but good, it's not considered punishment, it's considered maintaining order.

You've apparently been watching too much "Oz" on HBO. The cadre of prison officials you refer to is called a "SORT team". And no, they do not routinely "thump his ass but good" just for kicks and grins if they want to stay out of a disciplinary hearing and/or prison themselves.

Stripping prisoners and taking pictures of them in degrading poses grossly violates the rules of war, the rules of human decency, and the UCMJ. I have a feeling that each of these goon guards are going to feel the wrath of all three very soon in their military careers.

We do not know the rap sheet on the Iraqi prisoners, but one thing is for sure, they are not in the prison for writing a bad check, they're trained killers captured on the battle field while trying to kill our Soldiers or planning terrorist attacks on our troops.

They also fall under the protection of the Geneva Convention, which these US Army jailers violated in spades by abusing them. And the problem with our violating the Convention is that the enemy now has perfect justification to do the same thing to OUR prisoners. Just wait for the first photos of our POWs being abused to hit Al Jazeerah.

Nothing I have seen so far can be labeled torture, just humiliation.

You're joking, I hope. EVERYTHING I have seen in the photos so far falls under that description.

The Geneva Conventions were violated when 60 Minutes II broadcasted the photo's, until then, there was no humiliation shown to the public or the world

Uh, 60 Minutes II is not a governmental organization, and as such is not subject to the Convention.

120 posted on 05/09/2004 8:20:38 PM PDT by strela
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To: MJY1288
Nothing I have seen so far can be labeled torture, just humiliation. The Geneva Conventions were violated when 60 Minutes II broadcasted the photo's, until then, there was no humiliation shown to the public or the world

And what's more humiliating. Being forced into a naked pyramid formation and having some guards snap your picture or being forced into a naked pyramid formation, having some guards snap your picture and then having the whole world see your picture.

The leaking of the pictures and the viewing of these pictures does violate principles of the Geneva Convention.

There is something hypocritical about publicly releasing pictures that document -- humiliation.

124 posted on 05/09/2004 8:23:21 PM PDT by FreeReign
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