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Limbaugh's school of hard knocks for other guys
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| Sunday, May 9, 2004
| Frank Cerabino
Posted on 05/08/2004 9:01:04 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Torie
The one thing about Rush is he knows the democrat, liberal mind and has explained some of thier thinking to me in a way I would have never thought of. He also has great contacts and comes up with stories before anybody even hears about them. There is a lot of reasons why people listen to his show besides his personality.
To: A Jovial Cad; Mr. Mojo
"Tojo and Hitler, it seems, launched their attacks way too early! Had they just had the forsight to make their respective empires wait until 2004 to launch their attacks, they might well have won handily, with apologies from all those who dared to resist their evil with politically-incorrect resolution and force!"We laugh, but at the bitter irony of the truth.
To: F16Fighter
I agree with you that it is outrageous that this story has any legs whatsoever - clearly an attempt to hurt Bush in November and promote the Hate America First crowd's agenda. And I also agree with your comments about Rush; that's why I've been listening to him as long as I have. But guess what? Rush makes mistakes, and I think that to compare what happened to a Yale frat stunt, or blowing off steam was wrong of him to do. Right next to his announcement that Vince Foster's body was in an apartment owned by Hillary (or something like that).
God bless Rush, but he's erred here.
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posted on
05/08/2004 10:29:05 PM PDT
by
GreatOne
(You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
To: Torie
They were disgusting, unprofessional, illegal, ineffectual, and damaging to both the moral standing of this country, and to the causes for which it fights. Granted the unpublished ones, probably represent even more serious felonies, with even more attendant damage. If only you people could crank up the same degree of dudgeon over Pearl having his throat cut like a chicken. At this point, I couldn't give a flying f* if the Pentagon just strafed the next fist-pumping crowd that celebrates on al-Jazeera when some American contractor gets slaughtered. One way or another, we'll communicate the message that terrorist attacks on the civilized world are not going to happen again.
To: Torie
I'm afraid to even ask what a swallow man is
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posted on
05/08/2004 10:29:30 PM PDT
by
EDINVA
(reporters aren't stupid .. they just think YOU are)
To: GreatOne
So you don't think this story has been overblown ? You thought those pictures were real torture ? If you want to see torture rent a movie called Marathon Man.
To: Torie
*I don't like crowds. I eschew them*
Snarky elitism distilled to it's essence. Honest, open, arrogant contempt for the moral/intellectual "inferiors" you have to dirty your hands--or at least your keyboard-- with in this thread.
Very refreshing. The honesty, that is. The rest speaks for itself.
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posted on
05/08/2004 10:31:50 PM PDT
by
A Jovial Cad
("I had no shoes and I complained, until I saw a man who had no feet.")
To: EDINVA
I already took that hit. Stay current. LOL.
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posted on
05/08/2004 10:31:51 PM PDT
by
Torie
To: A Jovial Cad
Good flame. I am who I am. I won't obfuscate it with any veneer, to "fit in." That would lead for me to terminal ennui. Deal with it. Cheers.
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posted on
05/08/2004 10:33:46 PM PDT
by
Torie
To: ATCNavyRetiree
This "abuse" at Abu GHraib WAS nothing more than what happens at a Navy "crossing-the-equator" ceremony!
Yep! We did the same with the crew-members, first-timer crossing the Equator, in the Merchant Marine. Even the captains' wife would not be spared for the treatment. When I show my photos of these incidents to family and friends who never been out of the country, they are SHOCKED!!
Yet the participant in the ceremonies and the "victims," the newly "baptized" by king Neptune and his queen, takes it all with traditional humor!!
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posted on
05/08/2004 10:35:54 PM PDT
by
danamco
To: A Jovial Cad
*I don't like crowds. I eschew them* Snarky elitism distilled to it's essence.
That will be news to the many conservative freepers who say almost the exact same thing, whether talking about their preference for the suburbs and country in comparison to liberal cities, or explaining with pride that they don't follow the crowds of the liberal/mushy middle majority on certain issues where the conservatives are the minority.
Sheesh, its 'with us or against us' in the war on terror, not on every aspect of every single issue discussed...
To: danamco; ATCNavyRetiree
OKAY....someone explain to me what happens at these equator crossing "ceremonies." I have the certificate (large, ornate, rather beautiful) my father received in about 1943 signed by King Neptune....but he never spoke of it, and since he's not around any longer...I cannot ask him...spill the beans, I've always wondered.
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posted on
05/08/2004 10:39:54 PM PDT
by
goodnesswins
(Tagging you.....)
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To: quidnunc
Rush has never claimed to be an intellectual. He's never really cared for them, and if you actually gave much attention to his show over the last fourteen years, you'd know that.
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posted on
05/08/2004 10:41:11 PM PDT
by
MarylandPines
(If Bush is stupid, then that would make most liberals brain-dead.)
To: Diddle E. Squat
As a professional he should have known better, but hey, everyone makes mistakes. Unfortunately, he is so high profile and polarizing, that any slip up with be twisted and used to try and bludgeon him with. Add in an ego and on-air persona that considers apologizing an anethema, and it really starts to look bad.I agree. Rush is an icon for the right who once in a blue moon says something regrettable. This may be one of those times.
Here's a few comments from Rush's site:
The point is that they're using me because I'm the most prominent, maybe not the only, but I'm the most prominent voice that's not in this pack mentality. And since this is political, they have got to play this voice of mine and have people refute it and say it's not right. It's wrong or it's condemnable, or some sort of thing proving that this is political. Because I'm not an elected official. I'm not part of the Joint Chiefs. I'm not in the command structure. I'm not in the chain of command at all, and yet I have to somehow be condemned and discredited? It proves it's politics, folks!
And other media has been after Rush about this -
How else do you explain the NBC Nightly News, Crossfire, and the White House press briefing bringing me up in official questions to elected officials about my opinion of this?
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posted on
05/08/2004 10:41:30 PM PDT
by
ride the whirlwind
(And we will defend the peace that makes all progress possible. - George W. Bush)
To: holdonnow
I detest you libs. You tell 'em, holdonnow. I'm one of the 21 million who has been listening to Rush since the early '90s. Wish I could get Levin's program in my city. :o)
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posted on
05/08/2004 10:41:30 PM PDT
by
arasina
(So there.)
To: new cruelty
this is all a lot of mental masturbation...the fact that these people took pleasure and pictures in their actions just proves that they were not properly trained in their techniques.
Rush is right that hazing or initiation is far worse than what we see here.
The "outrage" is understandable, since most people are insulated from the reality of dealing with hard-core enemies, or they are just using it for political gain, and let's not forget that some are being led into indignation by others, since this rather minor humiliation, once revealed, can on one level be couched in contrast to the truly inhumane treatment that our people and allies are subjected to.
In effect, we say nothing of their treatment of our people, yet howl when their people are so minorly humiliated at our own hands...if we find this behavior so disgusting, what then must we think of woodchippers and the killing and raping of family members.
these incidents, while major at the moment due to media attention, will leave a subliminal message to people there and here as time passes...and it will pass quickly...
that message will be not a mere linear story of outrage, but affect the arab culture in small but significant ways
1:you arabs are nothing but dogs and objects to us
2:even our women laugh at and partake of your humiliation
3:as murderous and sick as you are in desecrating the bodies of our people, we are big enough to understand how wrong it is for us, the bigger and better people, to do the same.
This and whatever else may come out is just Lord of the Flies and Camp Runamok...people will pay for their crimes, commensurate to the severity...but it ain't the end of the world, and in my opinion, dumb as I am, I see far more threads of solid and positive tenure than what I hear out loud...
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posted on
05/08/2004 10:41:33 PM PDT
by
Bobber58
(whatever it takes, for as long as it takes)
To: GreatOne
"Rush makes mistakes, and I think that to compare what happened to a Yale frat stunt, or blowing off steam was wrong of him to do. Right next to his announcement that Vince Foster's body was in an apartment owned by Hillary (or something like that). God bless Rush, but he's erred here."Rush whiffs every once in a while, but I think he still tipped the ball in this case.
It could be that Limbaugh's first impression -- and mine as well -- was that this appeared to be a case of abusive hijinks by some bored, tired, PO'd prison camp interns -- NOT torture and murder.
IMO, it's still debatable as to whether it's actually "abuse" or "torture," and the "murder" factor hasn't yet been proven.
In the context and scope of this incident compared to traditionally clear-cut cases of torture of POWs in Nam, at the Battle of the Bulge, the Bataan Death March, and at Gulags, this was a case of frat hazing.
To: F16Fighter
*We laugh, but at the bitter irony of the truth*
Agreed 100%, again, and precisely right. You've said more in that one sentence than I've been able to get across in every post of mine in this thread. My hat is tipped to you, sir.
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posted on
05/08/2004 10:45:48 PM PDT
by
A Jovial Cad
("I had no shoes and I complained, until I saw a man who had no feet.")
To: ATCNavyRetiree; danamco
This "abuse" at Abu GHraib WAS nothing more than what happens at a Navy "crossing-the-equator" ceremony! Are you really saying that males on your ship repeatedly raped other males while videotaping it, shoved objects up their rears, forced men to masturbate and ejaculate into the mouths of others, and beat persons so bad that 1 died and several others came close to death?
Those are the serious charges of abuse that are being investigated and charges filed as a result. Regardless of how much the lying media/dems overhype some of the simple humiliation, abusive acts were perpetrated.
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