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To: First_Salute
The denials and coverups are already starting. From General Blames Abuse on Poor Leadership
``There was no recommendation ever by this group[meaning Military Intelligence, I presume] ... that recommended that the military police become actively involved in the interrogation,'' Miller said.

257 posted on 05/09/2004 3:21:17 AM PDT by snopercod (I used to be disgusted. Then I became amused. Now I'm disgusted again.)
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To: snopercod; joanie-f
All commanders have the responsibility to ensure that their orders are properly received and understood, and they have the responsiblity to ensure that the climate of command is also properly received and understood.

From the troops' perspective, they are under orders, not only those directly issued, but they are to catch wind of the climate and go with it.

Veterans get the hang of the sails, but short-timers and the in-experienced can get carried away. Among them, at various points along the courses taken, will randomly fold sails when they begin to find themselves lost and scattered. Some others take longer to realize that they are off course.

Suddenly the wind around them dies, and they find themselves alone.

Every good commander knows this happens, and it is their duty to ensure that they prevent it ... while sadly they note that their academy classmate is in the hot seat for not paying attention to the lost signals report.

Infamous words:

"When is the last time we heard from Lt. _______ and his command?"

The people under a commander's charge, must not operate in a vaccuum, left to the people, by the commander's negligence, especially by a commander's criminal negligence.

Yet officers get a pass, much as do bad cops, and bad doctors, bad lawyers, bad accountants --- the professionals walk.

Now, the Admin Moderator has yanked the above referred to FR page on that report; reason: "pending review"

258 posted on 05/09/2004 7:14:29 AM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: snopercod
The brass may have selected Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller for the purpose of putting him on the hot seat, such that, "It's your school of thought, your doctrine, a command climate of your colleagues' making --- you fix it."

This problem did not start from the ground up, and that is why I do not trust the Army story in general.

From him, we should be hearing revelations from the top down, of what and who created the atmosphere and who left the guards to what the leaders are claiming were the guards' own devices.

259 posted on 05/09/2004 7:41:02 AM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: snopercod; joanie-f
I do not think it was right that President Bush had to take the stand in lieu of the Army's standing up to its duty to make the officers in charge, take the stand.

The Army's officers who screwed this thing up, should be falling on their swords, not President Bush.

Well, Secretary Rumsfeld spoke for the whole establishment, but he too, in my view, should not fall on his sword, when the Army should be mentioning the offending officers in every breath that the Army mentions the offending soldiers.

260 posted on 05/09/2004 7:55:46 AM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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