[Steven W.]

well if the terrorists had been given brand new plasma LCD televisions like the DemoncRATs and their comrades in the ACLU and trial lawyer unions will insist then they might not have been so hateful of the US ...

[Redbob]

"A detainee allegedly had a pistol in his cell and around 1830 an extraction team shot him with less than lethal and lethal rounds..."

Some of the extraction team must have been armed with 9mm's!
LOL!

[Redbob]

BTW, anyone remember that prisoner "uprising" in Afghanistan, by which our allies there managed to rid themselves (and us) of the most hardened Talibaners?

Pity we couldn't have managed something similar in Iraq - or in Guantanamo, for that matter.
We'll NEVER be able to rehab any of those fanatics - best we could do would be to neutralize them.

[SMARTY]

These particulars do not alter the fact that there are more and better ways to detain and restrain prisoners than were initially used. The real fault was perhaps in the failure to anticipate that hardened and fanatical militants would be just as hardened and militant IN custody. I hope the situation is more organized now.

That said, the prisoners know (but will likely NEVER admit) that the bad treatment was the result of their behavior once in custody and was not the first and primary treatment extended to them as detainees.

I am trying very hard to see it both ways.

[stlnative]

A 15-6 investigation by COL Bruce Falcone (220th Brigade, Deputy Commander) concluded that one of the detainees in tier 1A of the Hard Site had gotten a pistol and a couple of knives from an Iraqi Guard working in the encampment.

So they have an Iraqi working in the hard site as a guard. Is it possible that he may have lifted a photo cd that had all these pictures on them? (he surely was able to get a gun and few knifes to a prisoner on the inside... this means he surely could have lifted a photo cd, that one of the idiots left laying around) I understand that the photos were burned onto cd's by the people who had assess to the digital cameras. (which was stupid). I want to know how the media got all these pictures, surely our government did not hand them to the media.

[NoClones]

gelding comes to mind as a permanent method of 'taking the wind out of [their] sails...'

and would certainly diminish the terrorists standing amongst their fellows given the islamist nature of these prisoners

but that would be cruel and unusual, however.

[ImpBill]

What you mean these folks (prisoners) were not just innocent Iraqi men, totally victims of the nasty infidels occupying their peace loving country? Say it isn't so.

By no means does it excuse the behavior of the extreme minority of our troops fighting for "our freedoms and security". But how many Americans stop to think about the "total picture" of what is going on and with whom we are dealing? And of course we can't leave it up to our media and elected officials to point out these apparent "non-politically correct" facts.

[TheDon]

The "Attack of the Pictures" is nothing more than another battle in the propaganda war going on as part of the War on Terror. Context is everything, and those pictures, provided without any context, are being used to demoralize the American Public, the Iraqis, and the world at large against the ongoing war. If you rush to judgement without hearing the context, you are casualty of that battle.

[gcruse]

It doesn't change anything.
What these soldiers did was unacceptable. Fighting terrorism means either killing them or terrifying them so severely that they will never consider terrorist activity again. Humiliating the bastards just makes them and the street madder.

[hchutch]

And we are seeing the other side emerge...

This does NOT excuse the actions of these soldiers, but it does seem to indicate that these were "hard cases" -insurgents of the Baathist or al-Qaeda variety. Multiple prison riots and attacks on guards occured. THESE PEOPLE WERE ABOUT AS INNOCENT AS RODNEY KING WAS. I think some heads need to roll, probably the Brigade CO and a few others because lines were crossed, but at the same time, there was SOME level of provcation, and the justice system will have to reflect that, too.

[ContemptofCourt]

You forgot to say why there were so many riots and escape attempts...because the prision was a joke.

Reading throught the report in its entirety, the prision was a colosal clusterf**k. It is amazing that our guys did not get killed. But a complete failure of leadership is no excuse for a few soldiers to resort to humiliating and sadistic tactics.