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To: Polybius
Reality, sir, reality.

It is better to win a real battle in a real battlefield in the Real World

What real victory? What battlefield? This is not D Day, this is Tora Bora.

Meanwhile, you cannot fight the greater war on terrorism and exterminate the terrorists before they destroy Cleveland without the help of Europe. If you cannot get Europe to help because it is right, then get them to help because we are meanest mothers in the valley.

Right now the pictures make us look like il Duce conducting an Italian ground campaign and not a force which must be accomodated. Even your 13 year old daughter can look at the pictures and tell the difference.
73 posted on 05/01/2004 12:17:30 AM PDT by nathanbedford
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To: nathanbedford
What real victory? What battlefield? This is not D Day, this is Tora Bora.

Based on what? Your hysterics?

At Tora Bora, the U.S. allowed Afghans to seal the trails and got burned. Lesson learned.

At Fallujah, the U.S. Marines have completely surrounded the city with a five foot high berm, manned by U.S. Marines, that took field engineers weeks to build.

The Battle of Fajullah is not over yet and you are declaring defeat based on a previous battle? As if lessons aren't constantly learned?

"This is another Kasserine Pass !!" "This is another Kasserine Pass !!!"

Meanwhile, you cannot fight the greater war on terrorism and exterminate the terrorists before they destroy Cleveland without the help of Europe.

Ummmm.....O.K......So, if, and this is only a hypothetical "if", there were to be a defeat such as, say, Dunkirk, Singapore or Dieppe, that means that all of Europe would withold any help in defeating a murderous enemy?

If you cannot get Europe to help because it is right, then get them to help because we are meanest mothers in the valley.

Non sequitur. Your previous point was that the U.S. looked weak in "pictures". Now you complain about the U.S. being seen as "the meanest mothers in the valley". You can't have it both ways.

Right now the pictures make us look like il Duce conducting an Italian ground campaign and not a force which must be accomodated. Even your 13 year old daughter can look at the pictures and tell the difference.

And at the Battle of Trebbia, Hannibal led the Romans to believe that the Carthagenian cavalry was retreating in panic.........

(Thirteen year old Roman girl: "Look, Pater, the Carthagenians are running away like scared old women!")

......... before Hannibal sprung his trap and destroyed an entire Roman Army killing between 15,000 and 20,000 Romans.

So, what's your point?

That illusions count more than reality?

Go ahead and judge the battle right now.

I will judge the battle after the battle is over.

"In war-time, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies".......Winston Churchill

87 posted on 05/01/2004 1:33:58 AM PDT by Polybius
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