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To: Polybius
In the above analogy, TalBlack, subsitute "Battle of Fallujah" for "baseball game" and substitute "senior U.S. Marine commader in theater" for "Joe Torre, Manager, New York Yankees".


I still say war should be fought full tilt or you should go home. With respect to the current warI doubt very much that anyone has a plan going that it too subtle for us "armchair generals" to understand. Although if the big plan is to attract the militant to Iraq and then close the trap soon would be a good time to start.

Human nature hasn't changed AT ALL over the millenia, people understand Power and they have contempt for weakness or any thing that THEY count as weakness.

Holding short of destroying Fallujah, Saddams generals and Iraqi forces being brought into do what we should have done Looks so weak on so many levels that I don't know where to start.

War hasen't changed, people haven't changed, but today we think we can fight a new, humane--kinder and gentler war-if you will. An apt analogy would be thinking we could play baseball without taking the field.

We haven't fought properly since WWII. We could have won Korea--according to the Chinese Generals who were there. We could have won VietNam according to the NVietnamese Generals who were there. I hope to hell Dubya has a plan so cunning I'm not bright enough to see it---I really do.
121 posted on 05/01/2004 3:25:21 PM PDT by TalBlack ("Tal, no song means anything without someone else....")
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To: TalBlack
One of the things that was brought to my attention over the past 48 hours was how the jihadist infrastructure in Western Iraq was brought to account. We don't know this, because we are watching Fallujah. They've been decimated, as have hundreds of tribal enforcers whom the chiefs stupidly lent to the jihadi.

The Marine leaders on the ground know that the jihadi are scamming them. They understand this. What, you think they take stupid pills at Canoe U. and Quantico? They are pulling back to let the Saddamites take a whack at things. The Saddam general is thick with the local tribals. Not with the jihadi. This is his chance to be the big cheese in town. He has to finger the jihadi to do it!

The jihadi will have none of it, of course, and find a way to kill the general. He's the modern version of Anastasio Somoza, and will be meet the same fate, but for now, he is useful to this chapter of the Marine's Small Wars Manual. Like it or not, he's our stooge. But he'll try to survive by playing both sides of the street.

Natch, the jihadist will have him car-bombed by Iraqi "patriots" (only after he has paid the jihadi a king's ransom in bribes to keep him alive, all to no avail). This craven dog will be sent to Allah for final disposition.

That's when we "restore order", after we let the Iraqis find a way to screw things up. Always find a way to allow the Arab to never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity and they will never let you down.

Now ask yourself, do these people really deserve their own civilization?

Be Seeing You,

Chris

124 posted on 05/01/2004 5:54:20 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "John Kerry: all John F., no Kennedy..." Click on my pic!)
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