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"I see the propaganda machine is beginning to win."

Sounds that way to me, too

The problem is that there is a large majority of freepers that are not listening to the Generals IN the war. Instead, they would rather take the word of the media as the TRUTH.

I'm even more aghast at the response of the "vets" participating on these threads. You'd think they'd know better.

War with Iraq was not the mistake...and whatever reflection you do now, here or wherever, must never translate into the US tucking in its tail in Iraq and leaving...and it never will. Iraq is just the beggining folks, we'd better toughen up a bit.

We will accomplish our goals in Iraq...if that means a free Iraq and perhaps a stable one...but this still does nothing to fight terrorism...it does nothing to win the hearts and minds of the Arab world...it just means we have a whole lot more fight ahead of us now.

Fooling around with threats of attack gave Saddam enough time to ship out tons of WMD to his equally dangerous neighbors. We allowed a seive of WMD and terrorists to flee the country and now, it is spreading. We can say terrorism is down by some statsistic, but one attack would blow that stat out of the water, it is always about the next, one big attack.

If our goal is to fight terorrism (terrorism being any efforts against US freedom) we need to take the fight to many more battles all around the world and this is going to last long after we are all gone.

And while this was not about bringing democracy to a people in Iraq, it sure should have been about how to we prevent the birth of more terrorists. And it is obvious right now to me that the few insurgants hanging around in Iraq are meaningless in terms of terrorism...we have to worry about those throughout the Arab world who are seeing this and now dedicating their lives to fighting the US. An Iraq war should have had a plan on how to stop them and it obviously has not.