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To: RinaseaofDs
I was enjoying that analysis until I came upon this:

"[Many Catholics are placing Mary as the fourth person in the Godhead.]"

And I realized I was completely wasting my time. If this author can so vastly misrepresent Catholic teaching as to claim that Catholics want to turn the Trinity into a Quad, there's damn little chance he's got a good grasp of Islam.

I'm not even a practicing Catholic, I'm very agnostic, but I do know what they would NEVER say, and that is that "Mary is the 4th person of the Godhead". How absurd. Why can't some people distinguish between "revere" and "worship"?

Qwinn
299 posted on 04/30/2004 3:27:56 PM PDT by Qwinn
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To: Qwinn
I was raised RC, and my whole family is RC, and to many RC's they can't tell the difference between reverence and worship of Mary.

Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy!
Our life, our sweetness, and our hope!
To thee do we cry, poor banished
children of Eve, to thee do we send
up our sighs, mourning and weeping
in this valley, of tears.
Turn, then, most gracious advocate,
thine eyes of mercy toward us; and
after this our exile show unto us the
blessed fruit of thy womb Jesus;
O clement, O loving, O sweet virgin Mary.

Pray for us, O holy Mother of God

That we may be made worthy of the
promises of Christ.

The word 'advocate' appears there. The idea being, that Mary has to intervene on our behalf to get God's attention.
That's not the way it works.

Jesus is the only path to God for a Christian. Mary as an 'advocate' is that attempt to make her a part of the trinity that the good doctor refers to here. When a Christian prays, we pray in Jesus' name, for what we ask in His name is taken to God.

I'm now Lutheran, and the whole Mary thing is a big deal. The more evangelical the church, the more significant this issue is to people, so don't throw out the baby with the bath. I haven't said a 'Hail Mary' in four years, probably. You'd never see it in a protestant church. My wife thinks the Hail Mary is creepy.

I think the doctor is pretty well up on what he's talking about. Again, don't take his word for it. Look this stuff up yourself. It's well footnoted.

303 posted on 04/30/2004 3:41:31 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Only those who dare truly live - CGA 88 Class Motto)
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To: Qwinn
Here's the point. The doctor's analysis of Islam is consistent with the following:

(From another thread on FR today concerning the relative press silence of the Palestinian murder of a pregnant woman and four kids ages 2 through 11)

Islamofascist; Radical Islam is an insane death cult, and "moderate" Islam is its Trojan Horse in the West.

Deroy Murdock writes for NRO: "After being released from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, former Afghan detainee Faiz Mohammed complained to the Washington Post : "The Americans treated me well, but they were not Muslims, so I didn't like them." The West should be so lucky as to confront nothing more than Mr. Mohammed's level of disdain. It gets worse.

Asked what he would say to the loved ones of the 197 people killed in last month's Bali nightclub bombings, Abu Bakar Bashir, leader of Indonesia's radical Jemaah Islamiyah, replied: "My message to the families is, please convert to Islam as soon as possible." Amrozi, a mononymous suspect in the blasts, said the carnage "delighted" him. He also pointed to Western reporters covering his November 13 appearance with police. Amrozi said: "Those are the sorts of people I wanted to kill."

Al Qaeda-linked Abu Sayyaf terrorists kidnapped six Jehovah's Witnesses in Jolo, Philippines on August 20. The next day, the decapitated heads of two of the male abductees were found. One victim also had his tongue severed. Military officials say that a note attached to one head said, "Those who do not believe in Allah will suffer the same fate."

Beyond hatred of non-Muslims, such murderers also embrace a pathological appetite for self-destruction. As al Qaeda's Mualana Inyadullah put it in the London Daily Telegraph last year: "The Americans love Pepsi-cola, we love death."

" We are more than determined to die here," Movsar Barayev, told Mark Franchetti of London's Sunday Times . "Our dream is to become shakhidi , martyrs of Allah." Barayev led the Chechen terrorists who seized a Moscow theater earlier this fall. He was killed when Russian authorities ended the assault October 26.

And look for a while at the words of Dr. Adel Sadeq, chairman of the Arab Psychiatrists Association and chief of the Psychiatry Department Cairo's Ein Shams University. In an April 24 interview on Iqraa TV, a Saudi/Egyptian satellite channel, he spoke of suicide bombing as the height of mental health

" When the martyr dies a martyr's death, he attains the height of bliss," Dr. Sadeq explained. "As a professional psychiatrist, I say that the height of bliss comes with the end of the countdown: ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one. And then, you press the button to blow yourself up. When the martyr reaches 'one,' and then 'boom,' he explodes, and senses himself flying, because he knows for certain that he is not dead," He continued, in a translation by the , Middle East Media Research Institute : "It is a transition to another, more beautiful world, because he knows very well that within seconds he will see the light of the Creator. He will be at the closest possible point to Allah."

Re-read Dawson's analysis and tell me if this is inconsistent with what you are seeing here.
354 posted on 05/04/2004 3:27:24 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Only those who dare truly live - CGA 88 Class Motto)
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