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“Funny, nobody but you mentioned gas chambers.”

That is the logical conclusion of what they are saying. Surely you can see that.

“Based on the evidence that since 9/11, there have been virtually NO instances where Muslims have publicly condemned those attackes without adding the qualifier "but,"”

That is a canard. Show me the qualified denunciations. Every Muslim organization, even the Islamist ones like the AMC, denounced them unequivocally.

They condemned it more than any other group in history. Name another group that condemned terrorism done in their name more than US Muslims after 9/11.

Interesting logic, though. Can you name me one Christian organization that denounced Eric Rudolph or the parade of abortion clinic and gay nightclub terrorists? What did you do to denounce it?

“and that the only public statements about terrorism by US Muslims have been complaints about their so-called persecution (which in reality has been virtually non-existent).”

That is absurd. Look at this thread. Look at any thread here about Muslims. 90% of posters here hate them. It is absurd to think they haven’t been persecuted given that level of hate. Do you actually think the RATS are more tolerant?

“Based on all the visible evidence and the behavior of the Muslim community, it is pretty clear tha that the majority of Muslims in the US are either sympathetic to radical Islam, actively supporting it, or too cowardly/intimidated to stand up and condemn it.”

What evidence again?

Interesting logic, again. You are saying the entire government of the US is a 5th column. You are saying that George W Bush is a traitor who doesn’t want to protect America. Come on. That is nonsense. If they were the threat you claim they would Bush would have dealt with them.

Are you going to vote for Bush?

“Just like he's dealing with illegal immigration across our southern border.”

That is a completely different issue.

“At the very least I would not be going our of my way to tout Islam as the religion of peace.”

That’s it? You see them all as terrorists and that is all you would do differently? Come on. This is an internet forum. Say what you think.

“99.999999999999999999% have not done a single thing to oppose it or condemn it, either”

Yes they have—they have paid taxes to the US government to help it fight terrorism. They haven't left America. There are plenty of other countries that are wealthy and more tolerant of them. Yet, they have chosen to stay in America and contribute to it instead of going to countries like Canada or Australia.

You exposed your argument as a fraud. You claim they support terrorism but admit that 99.999999999% have not done a thing to support terrorism.

What have you done to oppose terrorism?

I'll trust the president, vice president, Rumsfeld, Powell, and co. over internet posters any day.

For the person who cited a few instances of Muslims fighting, use that logic across-the-board. Do you know how many places Christians are fighting? Jews have one state and it has fought three countries in recent years. Hinduism has a handful of states and two of them are in conflict. Does that mean these religions are violent?

The problems is extremism, whether it is religious, ethnic, or nationalist.

“Oh, puleeeeze....Scar, you're delusional.”

How so?

“I support Israel, the war against terror and abortion is killing.”

I am neutral toward Israel but support its right to self-defense, support the war on terror, and consider abortion murder.

You didn’t denounce anti-abortion terrorism. Why? Do you sympathize with it?

“Jasser might be one of those rare peaceful Muslims but out of 50,000 or so Muslims, he was only hoping to get a few hundred to show up and got maybe 30?”

He was one guy without a platform and got about a 100 out of 50,000. That percentage is similar to what regular protests get. Remember, even our rally in support of the Iraq war got only a few hundred supporters.

“Just like the article says --- the radical group could have gotten far more anti-American pro-Jihad Muslims to come out for a demonstration.”
When?

Those groups have a platform and are able to mobilize a few hundred Muslims unlike one man. Moreover, their anti-Israel demonstrations get only a few hundred demonstrators. I don’t know of any anti-US demonstrations. If you do, please tell Mr. Ashcroft.

“Even with the whining of Muslims about Americans not trusting them, they aren't doing anything to prove we should.”

Muslims aren’t Americans?

What have they done to prove that they shouldn’t be trusted? Nothing. 9/11 was done by foreigners, not US Muslims.

“Too bad that prejudice has nothing to do with the problem caused by American unwillingness to recognize that we have allowed an islamic chancre to develope into a full scale disease on our own soil.”

It isn’t prejudice to oppose Islamofacism; it is bigoted to hate all Muslims. I am a big fan of Daniel Pipes. He understands the threat but realizes that the vast majority of US Muslims are not a threat. So does the president.

“Sorry you don't like Israel.”

I don’t dislike it. My point was they are as bad on minority rights as Arab nations.

" Only 1/6 of Muslims are Middle Eastern. " and that begs two questions:
How did islam convert 83% of its membership from other religions? (hint - force).”

True. What is your point? Do you honestly think Christianity hasn’t used force to spread?

“And, what percentage of American muslims are converts and why did they do so if not forced? (hint - they don't believe in our style of society or government)”

Black Americans converted to it because they suffer racism and Islam presents itself as color-blind. It is rebellion but people becoming Muslim to protest racism is not exactly a good example.

“ISLAM is the fastest growing (insert one) in the world.

a) "mafia" b) "criminal organization" c) "gang of murderous thugs" d) religion of peace”

E=Religion. It is just like any other religion. Look at history. Even today, most wars involve Christians.
“By their silence, they appear to be in support of the terror. And their silence silences my tolerance and fuels my own growing prejudice against Muslims and Islam.”
Do you denounce Christian extremist terrorists, such as Rudoplh?

That is absurd. By not supporting terrorism they support terrorism? They have denounced it more than anyone else ever has. It just isn’t enough for bigots. There is nothing they can do to convince your ilk.

“It's bigotted to believe most Muslims would abuse our rights but okay to believe most Israelis would abuse our rights?”

No, most Arabs would too. However, I believe that all Americans, regardless of skin color or ethnicity or religion are Americans. Most US Muslims and Israelis believe in American values.

Think about this folks. You all prove that there is a great amount of hatred against Muslims here. Yet they chose to stay here and contribute to America (one out of ten Muslims is a doctor and two out of ten are engineers) instead of going somewhere were they would be treated better. Moreover, if the backed terrorism, they would not be paying taxes and contributing to the US. How can you call them terrorists, then? Their actions speak louder then your words.

“Isralies didn't kill over 2000 Americans who only went to work one September day in NY.”

Neither did most corrupt Arab governments and neither did a single American Muslim. The fact that you guys are blaming US Muslims for something foreign Muslims did reveals that you don’t consider them Americans. Why?

“In almost every war, in almost every trouble spot on the planet, there are Muslims stirring things up.”

That is a lie. Christians are involved in more conflicts than Muslims. Look at the world’s demographics. Virtually every state is either Christian or Muslim. 3/5 of the world is either Christian and Muslim and virtually all of the world outside of India and China is. Hence, it is no surprise that Christians and/or Muslims are involved in every single conflict in the world. How can you call Islam violent but excuse the violence done by Christians?

It wasn’t Muslims who bombed Serbia twice for no reason. It wasn’t Muslims who bombed Iraq to delay an impeachment vote. It wasn’t Muslims who invaded Haiti for no reason. Under Clinton, the US engaged in four unnecessary military actions. That is more than any other country in recent times. Does that mean Americans or Christianity is violent?

Ronald Reagan and both Bushes have accepted Muslims as Americans. Were they wrong? Was a great man like Ronald Wilson Reagan wrong about Islam while some average Joe's on a computer are correct? Come on. There are reasons why Reagan, Bush and every single top Republican leader don't hate all Muslims.

Non-black Muslims were historically Republican. So were Asians. Hispanics were split evenly. In the past decade all three groups have been lost to the Democrats, who already had the black and Jewish votes locked up. The reason for this is the hatred we see in this thread and from people like Michael Savage who discredit the conservative movement. If you are hateful, please don't spew it publicly and damage the cause.