[dinok]

"Oh, calm the hell down. Even if the absolute worst you can dream up about this is true, the war is hardly "lost.""

I'm old enough to remember Viet-nam, and it was lost here when our government started runing the war based on politics instead of the military situation.

The rags murdered our people and diplayed them for all the world to see on TV. Just like in '83 when the Beirut baraks blew up and we ran away.

I refuse to drink koolaid for GW.

[ohioWfan]

I'm old enough to remember Viet-nam, and it was lost here when our government started runing the war based on politics instead of the military situation.

Then you should be old enough and smart enough that this single headline doesn't mean there is ANY parallel between Bush and LBJ.

Whose kool-aid are YOU drinking? You're certainly not being rational here.......

[victoryatallcosts]

What's your point?

Politics and war are inter-linked. It does us no good to run the war perfectly and then win things in time in order to turn the country over to John Kerry.

The strategy they choose is designed to minimize losses among Iraqi civilians and the Marines themselves.

Come on, man- think about it. What sort of hit would Bush take if he ordered the Marines in (when an alternative existed) and twenty-something (or more) were killed, along with five thousand or so enemy civilians- all broadcast live on Al Jazeera.

So far as I'm concerned, Fallujah should be razed to the ground and it's population (Islamist and pro-Saddam) left to starve in the desert. But that wouldn't be politically smart, now would it?