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To: Spok
Why we left them, (1) inaccurate after a few rounds (2) higher maintenance cycle (3) lots of power, little penetration (4) Low velocity (5) cost of weapon (6) low mag capacity.

Huge money has been spent to develop the perfect pistol and round for it. It will never exist. It all depends on the application. Yes it is true that people have survived being shot with a 9mm. So have many from the .45 You need to look at the 45 in comparison, not just the 9mm by itself. The 45 has huge knock down up close, thats it....9mm is higher velocity and has more penetration on soft targets. Neither one scores very well when put up against even moderate body armor. As for how many rounds, it does matter, I am very fast at Mag changes, but I would rather not, also I can carry about half the mags for the same amount of ammo! Don't get me wrong, I love my 45, but its day is done, I carry mine here at home, where It will do me well. On the job, give me something that I have options with, accuracy, penetration, range, knockdown, high capacity, durability.

Answere SIG 357

The feds are going to it, and I want it.
55 posted on 04/23/2004 5:21:02 PM PDT by USMCBOMBGUY (One word all Iraqis should learn-MOAB)
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To: USMCBOMBGUY
Here's the deal (at least for me)...
I have SEEN, with me own little peepers, a man wearing body armor get hit in the upper torso by a .45ACP (turned out later it was a COR-BON "+P")
It flattened him. Bam, on the ground, stunned and groaning.
I have also seen on more than a few "demos" and live shooting vidios what happens to you when you take a 9mm in about the same spot. You stay standing and go "OOOOWWWWW!!!" real loud, then (a least in one vid I saw) unload on the bad guy.

I'll stay with my trusty suped up Norinco clone.
357 = 9mm no matter what you do with the case volume.
69 posted on 04/23/2004 5:42:50 PM PDT by cavtrooper21 (Knowledge is power, power corrupts... So study hard and be evil.)
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To: USMCBOMBGUY
*Answere SIG 357

The feds are going to it, and I want it*

Best friend just bought one (Sig P239) last week, and we took it to the range on Wednesday. After helping him run 200 rounds through it, I'd match it against my Kimber Ultra Carry II any day of the week. It is a hot, hot caliber, makes .40 cal. & 9mm look weak by comparison. Still love .45's, but the .357 round definitely impressed me. Only drawback is the ammo is EXPENSIVE, but this wouldn't be a problem for the Feds, of course. And .45 ammo isn't exactly cheap, either.
Bottom line, if you're thinking about getting a Sig .357, I'd highly recommend it. You won't be disappointed. Planning to make it my next handgun purchase at the earliest budgetary opportunity.
156 posted on 04/23/2004 8:26:59 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("I had no shoes and I complained, until I saw a man who had no feet.")
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