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To: Duke809
Of course, some folks just don't like Harley's no matter what. It's a matter of taste I suppose.

The thing I find disturbing about Harleys - and it really isn't HD's fault - is their relative lack of sophistication. But that's what sells.

How can cast iron, steel, pushrods, and 50hp/liter sell for TWICE as much money as titanium, magnesium, DOHC and 180hp/liter?

A new Japanese sportbike is the two wheel equivalent of a Formula One car, with so much technology, advanced materials and engineering development it makes your head hurt just thinking about it.

A new Harley OTOH, from a performance perspective, is pretty much on par with one 20 years old.

It's just bizarre.

70 posted on 04/23/2004 11:31:25 AM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: xsrdx
Tell you the truth, I don't know either. I can answer for myself though. I've been riding mini-bikes and go-karts and junk since I was 5. My Uncle Duke was a real hot-rodder back in the late 50's and early 60's. My Uncle Ron had a 58 Chevy Impala convertible with a Connie Kit, 348 with trips, fender skirts, spolights and the like. Uncle Duke was always fooling around with it and his 56 Ford Fairlane, that he put a 312 T-Bird engine in. I was a little kid back then around 5 or 6 and was living with my grandmother while my mom was recovering from some heavy duty surgery, so Uncle Duke always made me help him.

He used to build mini-bikes and go-karts out of junk, but my grandmother would pitch a fit when I rode them, since they lived on 71st and Dicks Ave in SW Philly. I used to ride them in the Elmwood Ave park, but grandmom didn't care. My grandmother moved to Jersey in something like 64 or 65. The first thing Uncle Duke did when he got there was to buy a 62 Candy Apple Red Duo-Glide. He kept it in our garage and my mother hated that thing, but he loved it and used to take me for rides on it, I was 11 at the time and she used to stop him and make me get off. But that bike was in my garage every day for two years and I couldn't stay away from it. It could have been a Honda, Triumph, BSA or whatever and I would have felt the same way.

Ever since I saw Uncle Duke's Pan, I told myself one day I would get a Harley.

As for my Mom and bikes, she still hates them and she still tells me it's dangerous and I should sell it and I'm 50 now.

105 posted on 04/23/2004 11:49:56 AM PDT by Duke809
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To: xsrdx
The thing I find disturbing about Harleys - and it really isn't HD's fault - is their relative lack of sophistication. But that's what sells.

How can cast iron, steel, pushrods, and 50hp/liter sell for TWICE as much money as titanium, magnesium, DOHC and 180hp/liter?

Why would that be "disturbing"? It's not complicated; the "relative lack of sophistication" is awfully appealing to some.

Like my '97 Fat Boy, for instance. When I ride it, I'm on a very mechanical beast. It handles slow, it vibrates a bit and it's low and heavy. For all those reasons, I love it. It's just damn fun to ride; it's a mechanical beast.

And just so you don't think I'm ignorant of modern machines, I've had my '92 Honda ST1100 clocked at 137 mph by a (friendly) highway patrolman's laser gun. It was his idea to see what I could do with it.

I have a fast, smooth interstate-travel bike and a slow, clunky one that's great on a sunny day to go out and watch the cows go by. I love both for what they are (and guess which one small boys will stand around, waiting for me to light it off?). It's not complicated.

159 posted on 04/23/2004 12:35:04 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Is Fallujah gone yet?)
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To: xsrdx
How can cast iron, steel, pushrods, and 50hp/liter sell for TWICE as much money as titanium, magnesium, DOHC and 180hp/liter?

If you have to ask, you'll never know.

163 posted on 04/23/2004 12:40:04 PM PDT by elbucko (Never give a Muslim an even break.)
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To: xsrdx
the allure of a Harley has nothing to do with HP/litre.

1. They are widely recognized as the prettiest bikes in the world.

2. They are VERY comfortable if you ride the right model.

3. They are VERY reliable since AMF is out of the picture.....my neighbor has 102K on his '96 Road King.....nothing but standard maintenance.

4. They can be made VERY fast if that's what you want.

5. They all come with a wet spot on the back seat.......factory standard:)~

$21k for the Heritage Softail I spent a few years ago was the best investment I've ever made, bar none.

165 posted on 04/23/2004 12:41:39 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: xsrdx
Agree 100%. That's why I own a GSXR-1000 the most unbeliveable bike available.

PS: Do you know what HD stands for?

Hundred Dollars which is what you spend every time you buy a small HD product.
310 posted on 04/24/2004 9:58:12 AM PDT by G3
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To: xsrdx
If I had to explaine it to you, you wouldn't understand.

Gunnrmike

360 posted on 04/26/2004 7:48:32 AM PDT by gunnrmike (Initial success or total failure (Class 2B77))
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