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To: kabar; Howlin; Conspiracy Guy
Only IF you receive a four-year scholarship. (That's how I got my USN commission.

ROTC-source officers get USNR commissions.

Kerry went through the OTC (90-day wonder course) in Newport, RI. Officer Training Center.

Newport ONLY gives you a USNR commission, an requires a previous college degree; which is how my brother got his commission.

In the Vietnam era, the USUAL promotion cycle was greatly shortened: Almost all of the time in the late 60's and 70's you got a Ltjg promotion promotion form ensign after one year, then got a Ltjg-LT promotion after 2-3 years.

That Kerry FINALLY got his LT promotion after he left active duty early at four years indicates he was NOT "promotable" ....

Thus (being rejected for promotion) perhaps causes his hatred of the military (particularly the Navy!) and might show WHY Kerry was so desperate to get his medals rewritten and his discharge papers re-written decades after everybody else has "left Vietnam behind."
476 posted on 04/23/2004 9:33:58 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly ... But Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS press corpse lies every day.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Boston.com THIS STORY HAS BEEN FORMATTED FOR EASY PRINTING

Discrepancies noted in Kerry's record

Ex-skipper says website wrong

WASHINGTON -- Vietnam combat records posted on John F. Kerry's campaign website for the month of January 1969 as evidence of his service aboard swift boat No. 94 describe action that occurred before Kerry was skipper of that craft, according to the officer who said he commanded the boat at the time.

On the site, the Massachusetts senator is described as the skipper of Navy boat No. 94 during several actions in late January 1969.

However, Edward Peck, who was the skipper of the 94 before Kerry took over, said combat reports posted by the campaign for January 1969 involve action when he was the skipper, not Kerry. Peck, who was seriously wounded in fighting that took place on Jan. 29, 1969, said he believes Kerry campaign aides made a mistake in claiming Kerry as skipper of the 94 at that time.

On the Kerry website, the report of the combat on that day on the 94 boat is posted as occurring during Kerry's time as skipper of the boat. Peck said Kerry replaced him after the Jan. 29, 1969, event.

"Those are definitely mine," Peck said, referring to the combat reports that the Kerry campaign posted as representing Kerry's action. "There is no doubt about it."

A Kerry campaign spokesman, Michael Meehan, said in an e-mail that the campaign had obtained the combat reports for the 94 from the Navy. He did not directly address the question of why the campaign describes Kerry being skipper of the 94 at a time when Peck says he commanded the boat.

The reports at issue are in a 20-page batch representing Kerry's combat in January 1969. The reports include references to some dramatic action, including an ambush of Patrol Craft Fast, or PCF, 94. In addition to posting the information online, the campaign sent out an e-mail yesterday afternoon repeating the claim that Kerry was the skipper of the 94 boat throughout January and describing action the campaign said Kerry experienced while commanding the craft.

For example, in a summary of action that occurred Jan. 26, 1969, the campaign says Kerry served on boat No. 94 alongside another boat, No. 66. "PCFs 94 and 66 escorted troops up the Ong Doc River early in the morning when they were ambushed by gun and rocket fire from approximately 40 men on both sides of the river," the campaign summary says. "Two B-40 rounds hit close to Kerry's boat, while PCF 66 received 2 B-40 rocket hits. Three men on PCF66 were wounded. A junk containing South Vietnamese troops was also sunk, killing 11 South Vietnamese troops. Intelligence reports after the mission indicated that the Viet Cong troops may have planned the ambush in advance."

Peck said he was the skipper of the 94 at this time and that Kerry was not on the craft. While combat reports show several boats traveling with the 94, the campaign website says only that Kerry was the skipper of the 94 and does not try to place him on the other boats.

In another report, the campaign summarizes action that took place on Jan. 29, 1969, this way: "While Kerry's boat and another [PCF72] were probing a canal along the river, Kerry's boat came under heavy fire and was hit by a B-40 rocket in the cabin area. One member of Kerry's crew -- Forward Gunner David Alston -- suffered shrapnel wounds in his head. His injuries were not considered serious and he was sent to the 29th Evac Hospital at Binh Thuy."

Peck said he was the skipper on this day as well. Peck was also injured in the ambush and was hospitalized.

As a result, Kerry then took over the crew, Peck said. The Navy combat report posted by the Kerry campaign states that Peck and Alston were injured in the same event. There is no mention of Kerry in that report.

Kerry's commanding officer, George Elliott, said in a telephone interview that he vividly recalls Peck's injury and hospitalization and Kerry's replacement of Peck. "I think somebody made a mistake who doesn't know" the timing of Kerry's service, Elliott said. Kerry was skipper of boat No. 44 in December and January before taking over command of the 94, he said.

Michael Kranish can be reached by e-mail at kranish@globe.com. 


480 posted on 04/23/2004 9:50:24 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Only IF you receive a four-year scholarship. (That's how I got my USN commission.

Me too. I also had a four year obligation, which was changed to five after I was on active duty.

Speaking of the Navy Reserves. I downloaded a copy of Kerry's Jan 2, 1970 release from active duty. Previously, there had been some speculation about Kerry's status during the period 1970-72, which was the period of antiwar activities with the VVAW, Fonda, Ramsey Clark, et al. Kerry lists his Naval Service on his website as being 1966-70 active duty and 1972-78 US Navy Reserve. The following is contained in his release from active duty memo:

You are advised that your release from active duty does not terminate your status as a member of the U.S. Naval Reserve. On the day fllowing the effective date of release from active duty...you will resume the status of a member of the Naval Reserve on inactive duty. While on inactive duty your are subject to involuntary recall to active duty to the extent authorized by federal statue.....

In the event you plan travel or residence in foreign countries for a period in excess of 30 days, notice of intent will be submitted to the command having custody of your service record. Such notice should include destination, expected duration of the travel or residency, and forwarding address.

Kerry was a member of the inactive reserve until July 1972 when he transferred into the standby reserve. So he was meeting with the Vietnamese Communists in Paris and taking part in VVAW antiwar activities while fulfilling his inactive USN reserve commitment. Now I see why he conveniently leaves out that fact when providing a history of his military service.

497 posted on 04/23/2004 10:34:05 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
I think that your interpretation is probably correct. We had a post a few days ago that interpreted the evaluations that Kerry got to mean the same thing, not promotable. The post said that Kerry got less than perfect scores 19 times during a period when evaluation scores were naturally inflated. He said that one less than perfect grade could have been enough to stop your career, but nineteen less was a disaster.
507 posted on 04/23/2004 10:44:19 AM PDT by Eva
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