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To: spunkets
The right to birth control is absolute and is retained by the parents that make up the family.

There's no such thing as a “right” to birth control, only a sundry variety of techniques/devices of varying effectiveness for preventing pregnancy.

For starters, there is no judicially recognized “right” to birth control. The Supreme Court struck down laws banning the sale of contraceptives to married persons on the basis of a suddenly discovered “right of privacy” somewhere within the “penumbras” of the Bill of Rights, not on a “right” to use birth control per se. That happened in 1965, so it's a curious species of “absolute right” that wasn't even asserted for 189 of our nation's 228 years of existence.

If there was an absolute “right” to birth control, then you should be able to exercise it without restriction on an otherwise deserted island save you and a member of the opposite sex. After all, there are no laws or other people around to infringe upon the exercise of your absolute right. I think you'll find your claimed “right” to be guaranteed only if you refrain from having sex or one of you is unable to reproduce. That doesn't sound like an absolute right to me.

117 posted on 04/19/2004 3:25:56 PM PDT by William Wallace
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To: toenail
are you still around at all?
119 posted on 04/19/2004 3:38:11 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: William Wallace
" There's no such thing as a “right” to birth control, only a sundry variety of techniques/devices of varying effectiveness for preventing pregnancy.

Yes there is, it stems from the right of soveriegnty of will that each individual has. Limits upon that soveriegnty are justified only insofar as they infringe upon the rights of others. The right refers to the choice of whether, or not to have a child. Birth control that is not murder of an existing child infringes on no one's rights.

"...there is no judicially recognized “right” to birth control."

The courts do not determine rights, people do, by virtue of their capacity to do so.

" The Supreme Court struck down laws banning the sale of contraceptives to married persons on the basis of a suddenly discovered “right of privacy” somewhere within the “penumbras” of the Bill of Rights, not on a “right” to use birth control per se. That happened in 1965, so it's a curious species of “absolute right” that wasn't even asserted for 189 of our nation's 228 years of existence.

The court, the people and the US Constitution refused to recognize all sorts of rights at various times. That does not mean they don't exist. At various times whole groups of people were denied their rights, by the power and ill will of the majority.

If there was an absolute “right” to birth control, then you should be able to exercise it without restriction on an otherwise deserted island save you and a member of the opposite sex. After all, there are no laws or other people around to infringe upon the exercise of your absolute right. I think you'll find your claimed “right” to be guaranteed only if you refrain from having sex or one of you is unable to reproduce. That doesn't sound like an absolute right to me."

Only, because you failed to note that men are capable of creating and providing things. BTW, the choice of whether, or not to have sex is an absolute right. Denying contraceptive methods to folks, that do not include the murder of abortion is itself a crime. It is the same theft of soveriegnty of will slavers and socialists demand. Their are valid reasons to chose not to have children, that amount to the ability to satisfy responsibilities.

125 posted on 04/19/2004 3:55:27 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: William Wallace
"The Supreme Court struck down laws banning the sale of contraceptives to married persons on the basis of a suddenly discovered “right of privacy” somewhere within the “penumbras” of the Bill of Rights"

Are you saying that there's no such thing as a right to to privacy, or that this right was wrongfully used to justify the "right" to abort?

"That happened in 1965, so it's a curious species of 'absolute right' that wasn't even asserted for 189 of our nation's 228 years of existence."

Now wait a minute William, the fact that the government may have wrongfully denied rights to citizens for decades does not translate into the fact that the government was right in doing so. Women were denied the right to vote for 120 years after the creation of the nation, and blacks for the same 189 years that the government wrongfully gave itself the "right" to deny access to birth control to citizens.

165 posted on 04/20/2004 5:20:26 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Pátria, pero sin amo.)
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