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To: rmlew; nmh
Let's all be fair in put it all on the table like it really is.

Here is the problem:

1. Israel has a high number of treasonous, self-hating letist voters. So does America.While lower in terms of precentage then Europe, it is still alarmingly high.

2. Israel is in large part responsible for bringing Arafat back to power. For OSlo. For arming him. For training him. For decieving a battle-worn Israeli public with lies about his intentions despite clear evidence to the countrary.

3. Because of the Holocaust, because of their isolation in the world, because the world has hated Jews for 3000 years, because of the last 50 years of attempts to exterminate Israel while the world quietly watched, Israelis are overly paranoid of losing their one and only real friend, the U.S.

This is why they are afraid of their own shadow when it comes to offending the U.S.

This is why they agree to the unfair situation where Israel helps the U.S. on many many occasions, and unlike EVERY OTHER COUNTRY that even lifts a symbolic finger, Israel recieves no public credit.

4. Israel is responsible for not doing what is takes to defeat their enemies.

5. Israel is responsible for caring too much what the rest of the world thinks, living in some kind of delusion that Europe/Arabs/UN will ever 'like' them if only they do A, B, and C.

6. The U.S. is responsible for SURRENDERING to terror over the last 20 years.

The U.S. put its tail between its legs and ran out of Lebannon like a little pansy girl. The U.S. negotiatied with terrorists (as Israel has recently), didn't respond to attacks, lied to the American
public about the government sponsored hate-media of its fake 'allies', etc...

7. The U.S., like the rest of the world still does today, spent the last 20 years seperating Islamic
terrorism against Israel (acceptable) and Islamic terrorism against the U.S. (bad).

8. The U.S. still has traces of #7 going on and lies to its citizens about the nature of Islamic hate. Islam isn't dictated by the 'peaceful' Muslims in the U.S. Islam is run by the clerics in Egypt, Saudi, Iran, etc... And they certainly don't preach a religion of peace.

9. Both Israeli and American (Western) media has lied to their citizens, under the guise of fair reporting, about what really goes on in the Islamic world. They have an agenda, and blood on their hands.

10. Western Europe is not an ally of the U.S.

11. The U.S. sometimes takes the contributions Israel makes for grants. Contributions in complete disproportion to what other allies give. Kind of like that one great girlfriend. You only realize how special she was when she isn't around anymore.

Both the United States and Israel share tremendous blame for the misjudgements, historic miscalculations, and occasionally (too often) weakness.

Time we opened our eyes to the honest truth, so that we can prevent these mistakes in the future.

Time for America to once again become the great nation it was in WWII. Time for Israel to once again become the great nation it was in its first 20 years.
98 posted on 04/13/2004 11:04:37 PM PDT by solmar_israel (Break the alliance with Old Europe)
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To: solmar_israel
You must be reading my mind. I said almost those exact words to a friend on the telephone this morning. It is a hard thing to try and explain to those who remember Entebbe and can't reconcile THAT Israel with the one we see these last years. I think that Sharon has sacrificed himself to get Israelis in the fighting spirit again. I also think he is succeeding though his methods look intensely strange to those of us who wait for Israel to rise from the ashes Carter, Peres, Terje Larsen, and Rabin have relegated them to.
He has made a martyr of Noam Federman. He has mainstream Israel now fighting FOR the Settlements instead of hating the settlers and blaming them for all the ills in Israel. I pray I am right and the lion will once again join with the eagle to rid the earth of this evil scourge.
Am America od Yisrael Chai.
99 posted on 04/13/2004 11:29:09 PM PDT by Nix 2 (http://cachelot.blogspot.com for Skerry stuff)
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To: solmar_israel
1. Israel has a high number of treasonous, self-hating letist voters. So does America.While lower in terms of precentage then Europe, it is still alarmingly high.
This is true in all Western Countries. The problem for israel is that it is small and surrounded by hostile enemies. It has less leeway.

2. Israel is in large part responsible for bringing Arafat back to power. For OSlo. For arming him. For training him. For decieving a battle-worn Israeli public with lies about his intentions despite clear evidence to the countrary.
Sad but true. However, all of this came with the proding and involvment of Europe, the Russians, and the US.

4. Israel is responsible for not doing what is takes to defeat their enemies.
The US stopped Israel from presing victory in 1956 and 1967.

The reality is that no one wants try civilizational warfare. it turns our stomachs.

108 posted on 04/14/2004 6:11:08 PM PDT by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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