A Smokeless Alternative to Quitting

NY Times ^ | April 6, 2004 | SALLY SATEL, M.D.

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

All credit (and my undying gratitude) to our awesome troops and their ultimate "Commander in Chief" (upstairs). (^:

[cinFLA]

A jar of picked buggars and a jar of bit-off toenail clippings... yuck! Maybe if the toe nail clippings also include the jam, it wouldn't be too bad. LOL

Jelly Belly is marketing flavors such as vomit, ear wax, buggers, etc. Not sure if the wholesale buyers will "bite" on them.

[rikkir]

My understanding is that they bear no resemblance to the little snuff packets. Even those increase saliva production.
I am going to try them. I tried to quit several times over the years. Patch only worked for a couple of weeks, and only the first time I used it. Hypnosis was a $100 joke, sitting in a room with a 100 other people while a guy talks soothingly to you, and then sells you another $100 of worthless vitamins, "to stop the craving for cigarettes" which is what the hypnosis was supposed to do.
I have to quit now. I was just diagnosed with kidney cancer, and while every doctor I've seen has said this cancer has no relationship to smoking, I'm not taking any chances. After Friday I'll only have one kidney and I figure I had better not roll the dice.
If this product lets me break the habit of lighting up when triggered maybe that will make it easier to kick the nicotine out of my system.

[Dog Gone]

Good luck with that operation. That doesn't sound like much fun at all.

And if you ever find these products, let us know what you think.

[EEDUDE]

"I wonder how these products differ from Skoal Bandits. It sounds like the same thing."

They are.

Brad Rodus' book came out about 7 years ago. He is an epidemioligist at UAB.

His book states that the risk of oral cancer is LESS than that of smokers, and that lung cancer, emphysema, and heart disease are not a factor with smokeless tobacco.

I believe the guy is sincere, and has the credentials to back up his assertions.

His book was trashed by the extreme anti tobacco lobby, but what they don't understand is that SOME folks simply cannot break this powerful addiction.

For those in this category, smokeless tobacco may indeed be a lifesaver.

BTW, in his book, he was strongly against the use of smokeless tobacco EXCEPT in those cases.

Again, I believe the man sincerely wants to help those smokers who are unable to give up nicotine.

Another question: If the gov't is so worried about the healthcare costs that smokers presumably cost the "system", then why not subsidize treatment and nicotine supplements instead of allowing smokers to have to pay $75.00/wk for these things?

[rikkir]

Thank you. I went to my pre-op screening yesterday and was surprised to find out that this is outpatient surgery. My jaw hit the floor. They are going to remove a major organ from my body, and send me home the same day. Medical science has sure come a long way.
I think those products are being sold here in NC. I've seen ads for Revel in the Charlotte Disturber. I'll keep everyone posted to let you know how they work.
I don't know if it's appropriate to do so, but I would ask if any are inclined to do so, I would appreciate being remembered in prayers on Friday. I hope to feel the strength and warmth of God's love when going into the operating room. For the first time in my adult life I find my courage faltering.

[Dog Gone]

OUTPATIENT??? I figured you'd be lying on your side in the hospital for a week! That's incredible.

As for the prayers, you got 'em.

[neverdem]

Your biggest risk is probably general anesthesia. I've said prayers for you already. Don't worry. You'll do fine.

[neverdem]

Daylate, thanks for letting me know about the smoker's paradox. You'll probably need a medical dictionary if you read the links.

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Apr 6 2004 10:25:18

[rikkir]

Thank you, all are appreciated.

[neverdem]

The links of the eight articles to the abstracts by left clicking the authors' names all failed. That's the first time I that I've seen this happen, but if you click on "related articles", you'll find links that work and have access to articles with links to abstracts.

I didn't read everything, but I came across one explanation for the paradox was that smokers tend to be younger patients who are less likely to have diabetes, hypertension or obesity.