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To: rwfromkansas; lowbridge
believe it or not, there are some smart liberals out there. They aren't all hippies without an education. And we conservatives have our share of morons as well.

You can't live in a bubble and expect to fully understand where the other side is coming from, nor can you ultimately be able to DEFEND THE CONSERVATIVE PHILOSOPHY by simply hanging out on FR. Turn on NOW with Bill Moyers sometimes. Listen to NPR. Head over to the New Republic website sometimes.

I don't mean head over to DU and listen to Franken. They are not intelligent places to learn the other side. You need to see places in which there is REASONED argumentation of the liberal position.

But ultimately, we need to do it to a degree (doing it too much will drive you insane of course). If we do not, conservatism will not be able to thoroughly demolish the left like it should be able to do. If we do not, our opinions will not be as strong when defending our positions since we can't refute the core logic of the other side, only the Democrat Party talking points since that is what you learn to do on FR.

FR is great. You get to work with others to fight the left. You get to have fellowship with others. You get to see many amazing news articles and discuss them with like-minded people. You get to have FUN.

But ultimately, you have to get your hands dirty to be a fully capable supporter of freedom and limited government. You need to get out there and observe what others think, debate with them, have pleasant conversations with those who are willing to do so instead of shouting you down (tough to do, but possible). Just like Jesus calls us to go into the nations to evangelize in a world that is not our home, as conservatives, we need to go out and get to know the enemy so a proper refutation of liberalism can be offered. And who knows, perhaps we will win some converts...and friends...in the process.

22 posted on 04/06/2004 1:00:13 AM EDT by rwfromkansas

I'm with lowbridge on this, RW: I used to post to a CSPAN board, and after a certain point it became ridiculous - leftists arguments are predictable and lame because they are simply arguments to take the easy way out instead of taking the long view. "In the long run we are all dead," John Maynard Keynes said. True - individually. But it should really read, "In the long run each of us is dead," because there is, 'til the Lord's return, posterity.

Leftism simply urges that we eat society's seed corn, risking the stagnation of that geometric increase in living standards which has made the prosperity of an American secretary today comparable to that of Queen Victoria (1819 - 1901) in her time. That is the "big picture" in my vision; journalism is by its nature an amplified (if not distorted) view of a much smaller slice of reality. In that small picture our attention is focused on many things, many of them negative, which are in the big picture inconsequential.

23 posted on 04/06/2004 1:55:18 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (No one is as subjective as the person who knows he is objective.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
I post alot on Motely Fool boards and the Best Of feature which was supposedly set up to show the Best Posts of the day is merely a bunch of rec-whoring liberal hate speech. 13 out of 25 posts are from a board called "Political Asylum" with subjects like: "Secret Letter to Jack Straw Discovered", "Iraq War a Horrendous Decision", "Zinni bashes Rummy the Dummy", etc. You disagree and try to have an intelligent thoughtful debate and you get the worst vitriol and personal attacks. They increase if you mention you are Christian, have children, drive an SUV, own a gun and vote for Bush. I was quite taken aback at the hatred and innuendo found in those posts--and this is a financial website. After awhile the conservatives give it up and start a new board where they can discuss issues rationally but then the remaining libs lose posters to beat up and migrate to wreck yet another good board.

That is why I come here.


35 posted on 04/16/2004 6:40:16 PM PDT by LuceLu (Intelligent people are always open to new ideas. In fact , they look for them. Proverbs 18:15)
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