[mfulstone]

The shroud devotees should read their bibles. Particularly John 20: 6-7

Obviously, that was NOT Jesus' shroud.

[theFIRMbss]

>The shroud devotees should read their bibles. Particularly John 20: 6-7 Obviously, that was NOT Jesus' shroud.

The "burial cloth"
may have been "around His head"
and down His body.

I don't see this quote
as obviously proving
the shroud to be false.

John 20:3-7 --

"So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen."

[True-Stu]

I Do read my bible and am quite familiar with the passage cited. It actually supports the shroud theory rather than disproves it. Historians have repeatedly stated that a common practice of the age was to initially drape the body with the body lying on a long cloth that was then wrapped over the head and laid down the length of the torso to the feat. This is precisely what the Shroud of Turin shows.

[Jaded]

John 20:6-7 :: New International Version (NIV)
6Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen.

John 20:6-7 :: New American Standard Bible (NASB)
6 And so Simon Peter also came, following him, and entered the tomb; and he saw the linen wrappings lying there,
7 and (1) the face-cloth which had been on His head, not lying with the (2) linen wrappings, but rolled up in a place by itself.


John 20:6-7 :: King James Version (KJV)
6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.


John 20:6-7 :: American Standard Version (ASV)
6 Simon Peter therefore also cometh, following him, and entered into the tomb; and he beholdeth the linen cloths lying,
7 and the napkin, that was upon his head, not lying with the linen cloths, but rolled up in a place by itself.

John 20:6-7 :: Darby Translation (DARBY)
6 Simon Peter therefore comes, following him, and entered into the tomb, and sees the linen cloths lying,
7 and the handkerchief which was upon his head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded up in a distinct place by itself.


Which one?

[cyncooper]

The shroud devotees should read their bibles. Particularly John 20: 6-7

Obviously, that was NOT Jesus' shroud.

Actually, those passages confirm for me the shroud covered Christ. As I pointed out, see above the reference to the head cloth (napkin in my Bible) in Spain with the same rare blood type found on the shroud.

The Sudarium of Oviedo: Its History and Relationship to the Shroud of Turin

Excerpt:

Such a cloth is known to have existed from the gospel of John, chapter 20, verses 6 and 7. These verses read as follows, "Simon Peter, following him, also came up, went into the tomb, saw the linen cloth lying on the ground, and also the cloth that had been over his head; this was not with the linen cloth but rolled up in a place by itself." John clearly differentiates between this smaller face cloth, the sudarium, and the larger linen that had wrapped the body.

~snip~

[CCCnative]

The shroud devotees should read their bibles. Particularly John 20: 6-7 Obviously, that was NOT Jesus' shroud.
How wide is a strip? I think that is open to interpretation.

[LadyPilgrim]

I have read that Scripture and agree with you.

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. 2 Tim 3:16 & 17

God has not left us without His Truth!

[gal522]

Why does John 20:6-7 automatically rule out anything? It doesn't say how big the strips of cloth were; if there were more than one, it's possible that the one covering Jesus' body was preserved, especially if the image was already visible at that time--saved because of its unusual markings.

Here's the verse: Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen.