Kerry's A Fake Re: Not Sending US Jobs Overseas (Flip flop alert)

www.bushcountry.org ^ | By Joseph Grant Swank

[bogdanPolska12]

US Senator John F. Kerry and ads are making a big deal about United States President George W. Bush’s administration shipping jobs overseas. Not American. Not good. Not fair. Not moral. Not to be under the Kerry administration come November’s Democratic win.

So goes the Kerry mantra. So go the Kerry TV commercials. So go the Kerry sound bytes.

But, like so much else about Kerry, it’s a fake call. It doesn’t add up when a person takes the energy to check out the fine print. Kerry is sounding so utterly pious about this overseas job thing that one would conclude Kerry has it as a cemented part of his political conviction.

Not really. At least not when checking out Ms. T. Heinz Kerry’s play in all this. And, as Kerry likes to make it appear, what’s good for the spouse is good for the spouse.

So back to the fine print. Let it be broadcast worldwide that US jobs sent globally would fit in quite conveniently to pocket the stretching of the Kerry wallet. That’s right. But unfortunately that’s not all that well known. And that’s surely one bulge that Kerry doesn’t want to bubble up.

The Heinz Corporation, owned of course by Ms. T. Heinz Kerry, has no less than 57 energy-powered plants that are very much foundationed outside the borders of the United States of America. That’s the fact: 57 plants manufacture Heinz products elsewhere which means that American hands can’t get hold of those plant levers to earn those daily wages.

Heinz has a total of 79 plants spilling out its prized items for sale. Of those, 57 are strategically headquartered in nations other than our own. So, obviously, the question comes to the fore: How many Americans are lost to those jobs in lands beyond the seas?

Here are the countries where other-than-US-citizens collect their Heinz paychecks:

Taipei, Taiwan; Dublin, Ireland; Paris, France; Dovarmenez, France; Lisbon, Portugal; Madrid, Spain; Milan, Italy; Monguzzo, Italy; Athens, Greece; Warsaw, Poland; Pudliszki, Poland; Wodzislaw, Poland; Miedzychod, Poland; Moscow, Russia; Georgievisk, Russia; Cairo, Egypt; Tel Aviv, Israel; Haifa, Israel; Elst, The Netherlands and 6 other plants there; Brussels, Belgium; Dusseldorf, Germany; Seesen, Germany; Turnhout, Belgium; Rovereto, Italy; Chateaurenand, France; North York, Ontario, Canada; Wheatley, Ontario, Canada; Caracas, Venezuela; San Jose, Costa Rica; Johannesburg, South Africa; Gaborone, Botswana; Harare, Zimbabwe; Cheguta, Zimbabwe; Wellington, South Africa; Melbourne, Victoria, Australia; Republic of Singapore; Auckland, New Zealand; Tokyo, Japan; Guangzhov, People's Republic of China; Qingdao, People's Republic of China; Inchon, South Korea; Bangkok, Thailand; Mumbai, India; Jakarta, Indonesia; Surabaya, Indonesia; Manila, Philippines; Wanchai, Hong Kong.

Please, Mr. Kerry, come clean on this one. Don’t give us untruth in campaign advertising. It’s not the presidential thing to do.

[Aeronaut]

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[stylin19a]

I'm thinking this writer should be reading FreeRepublic.

There are threads all over the place regarding this.

Some concensus is, that, if heinz couldn't build plants in other counties, they still weren't going to build them in the US.

Foodstuffs need to be close to the consumer.

It's Kerry's tax plan that is going to help heinz.

[jwalsh07]

Some consensus is, that, if Heinz couldn't build plants in other counties, they still weren't going to build them in the US.

Its the hypocrisy and most of Heinz products have long shelf lives not dependent on refrigeration. Kerry should be bludgeoned for this at every opportunity.

[Bob]

I think that describing Heinz as being "owned" by T. H. Kerry is, at best, misleading.

From Yahoo:

% Held by All Insider and 5% Owners: 12%
% Held by Institutional & Mutual Fund Owners: 67%

TOP INSIDER & RULE 144 HOLDERS

Holder Shares Reported
JOHNSON, WILLIAM R. 550,086 22-Sep-03
JOHNSON, WILLIAM R. 342,639 20-Jun-03
BERTASSO, MICHAEL J. 97,817 22-Sep-03
JIMENEZ, JOSEPH 74,951 19-Mar-04
MILONE, MICHAEL D. 66,603 20-Jan-04

If she owned more than 5% of the company directly, she'd be listed. Neither of them appears on the list of major shareholders. (While she and J F'n Kerry could own a lot through a mutual fund, they don't appear to own very much directly.)

[Common Tator]

ARe you as stupid as your post seems to say?

Does a bottle of ketchup spoil in a year, if not used? Does a can of soup?

You must think the people reading your post are stupid!

The Heinz product line consists principally of canned food that can be stored for months and even years before use.

Heinz goes overseas for the CHEAP LABOR and LOW TAXES!!!!!

Wasn't it Benedict Arnold Heinz who said,

"I'm not paying these high taxes and union wages. I won't be able to afford exotic foreign sluts if I have to pay the big bucks in the USA."

[USNBandit]

The question is does the stuff end up back in the U.S.

If Heinz made ketchup in Mexico and then shipped it into the U.S. then that would be a hypocrisy. If Heinz is producing banana ketchup in Singapore and shipping it around Asia then that is normal business for a global company. I am fairly certain a lot of the products being produced outside the U.S. are for foreign consumption.

[JohnBovenmyer]

Kerry is also outsourcing the funding of his campaign to George Soros and the management of it to the old media.

[Solamente]

I wonder if the data is available that compares foreign countries that outsource to the US, versus US outsourcing. Also, if the jobs were reabsorbed to their respective countries, would the US have the even higher unemployment stats that the Dem/Libs exaggerate about?

[Atlas Sneezed]

Heinz goes overseas for the CHEAP LABOR and LOW TAXES!!!!!

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Here is the question:

If Heinz products being sold in the US are made in the US from US produce, and if Heinz products sold in Argentinia are made in Argentinia from Argentine produce, what's the problem?

Since produce is logically packed near where it is grown, the real question is whether US produce is being shipped out to be packed in other coutries.

I'll bet it ain't.

[bogdanPolska12]

For that I would need to do some search. I am pretty positive that high level is being outsource, not low level.

I don't want to give you wrong answer. Outsourcing is a tricky thing. We outsource our jobs to illegal immigrants in low pay category, while we outsource our high pay jobs to other countries.

Bogdan

[gov_bean_ counter]

During the same week his lame outsourcing commercial came out, his own economic advisor said outsourcing is responsible for a very, very small portion of the job loses and is not really an issue.

[bogdanPolska12]

Kerry is so full of it – remember this is a guy who flip-flops on every word.

Hold on let me call the troops. There are smarter then I am when comes to economics. I am just a simple polish guy.

Guys need your input on this thread, if you would like to.

Bogdan.

[bogdanPolska12]

Economic Ping;

Hold on let me call the troops. There are smarter then I am when comes to economics. I am just a simple polish guy.

Guys need your input on this thread, if you would like to.

Bogdan

[jimbo123]

Heinz-Kerry own approximately $550 million in Heinz stock. And doesn't include the dividend they receive.

[EQAndyBuzz]

In a company I worked for, we had foreign manufacturing plants make product for the foreign market.

In South America, cookies are considered cake and it goes into a different isle in the supermarket. Ingredients are different to satify the palates of the populace.

So in that sense, having a company produce product overseas makes sense.

So Heinzproducing overseas is quite normal. In Britain the baked beans are different. I think they suck. But that is the taste of the british.

[gov_bean_ counter]

Britain the baked beans are different.

And you need a blender to stir their coffee.

[bogdanPolska12]

Correction. Computer is acting weird today. I apologies. Here it is.

Here is the question: by “Beelzebubba”

”If Heinz products being sold in the US are made in the US from US produce, and if Heinz products sold in Argentinia are made in Argentinia from Argentine produce, what's the problem? Since produce is logically packed near where it is grown, the real question is whether US produce is being shipped out to be packed in other courtiers. I'll bet it ain't.”

Hold on let me call the troops. There are smarter then I am when comes to economics. I am just a simple polish guy.

Guys need your input on this dear Freepers. This question was post by


Bogdan

[torchthemummy]

To answer two points made:

1- Heinz sales were $8.2 billion dollars last year. 4% would equal $320 million. That's no chump change. While I'll accept the point that they technically are not in a controlling position, the fact is that their public statements can affect the value of the stock.

2 - Of the stats that I have seen, 72% of their products are processed overseas while their overseas sales are 60%. So the real number to nail is the 12% surplus of labor, costs, etc. performed overseas.

Because I know the outsourcing issue is a trojan horse as far as kerry goes, the fact is he and the mrs. make at least 12% of their income from this outsourcing disproportion.

Bottomline: Everyone is quite correct about the fact that he is still guilty of not practicing what he preaches (this only one of countless others).