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To: Alter Kaker
I want my culture (the predominate one here) to remain as such.

America while majority "white" has never been racially pure although at the founding I would venture that freedmen were mostly "white".

I have never given much thought as to how many Asians might have been here then. We obviously had plenty of Amerindians we were in the process of subjugating and there were a fair number of black freedmen (one of whom died in the Boston Masscre).

How do you think Russia would react to having it's culture overrun by an alien one? They don't seem to be too fond of dissident cultures within their own.....Chechnyans for example....not that I blame Russia...I don't much like Chechnya's either.

There is nowhere in the words of the Founding Fathers that I am aware of whereby they proclaimed that we should accept everyone in the world who wishes to come here regardless of the consequences.

Enthusiasm for that came later during the huge Irish and Italian (and others) immigration waves when the new citizens began to dictate more and more policy. The movie Gangs of New York last year touched on that from the immigrant perspective.

Irish and Italian immigrants were more culturally compatible in my view than the Amerindian swell we have today. One could argue that by default the more compatible cultures are defined by race but that is not wholly accurate. There are a number of nations of large English influence that supply more culturally compatible immigrants of all races....particularly if they are of the professional class.

Again as though it needs to be said: We cannot tolerate enormous numbers of immigrants from anywhere period.

I know of no nation on earth that has ever surrendered cultural sovereignty willingly though we and Western Europe (to Islam) may be the first.

As an aside and this is quite chauvinistic....I am more sympathetic to any immigrant group the prettier their womenfolk...unabashedly. I think we should open our doors to many Croat, Czech, Baltic, Old Russian, and even your new homeland gals.....they are most welcome here! Shalom (former Ramat Gan business doer here)
889 posted on 04/05/2004 10:39:24 AM PDT by wardaddy (If we don't nut up quick as a nation, we'll be foraging for the eggs of the sooty tern soon enough)
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To: wardaddy; All
Enthusiasm for that came later during the huge Irish and Italian (and others) immigration waves when the new citizens began to dictate more and more policy.

Here's a good article that may be very relevant today. In the case of the Irish(referring to Catholic Irish), there was two political parties (American Republican and Know Nothings) dedicated to giving them the boot. They were hated since they were "Popists"(and involved in a conspiracy to bring the US under "Papal Rule"), were lazy, illiterate, superstitious, drunk, pugilistic, gang members, etc. Cartoons compared them to simians, and many of the papers there like Harper, Thomas Nast, and George Templeton Strong (“the gorilla is superior to the Celtic in muscle and hardly their inferior in a moral sense.”) led the charge.

Two of the main settlements of NYC they settled were "Five Points" and "Hell's Kitchen". From all I've read on it(and I'm in the process of a 25 page paper on it), it makes Detroit look like McLean, VA. That reinforced the stereotypes of Strong and others. 60% of the NYC arrests in the mid 1800's were Irish.(Dropped to 10% in 1890's)

The Republican Party of the 1860's was largely made up of "anti-slavery Free Soil Democrats", Know Nothings, and Whigs. While the Irish had some friends in that party like Seward and would be at home with the free soilers, they became democrats for 120 years+(It took abortion, LBJ, and Reagan to start to break that), and some areas still have that tradition. What concerns me is will the Mexicans be the "New Irish?" and have a 95% voting block backlash against the GOP?

That said, will they follow the Bishop John Hughes route? Or will they follow the LaRaza/MECHA route? Hughes was an American first("I became an American by choice, not by chance.") and worked hard to educate the American Irish there. Since the Public Schools were horrible then(anti-Catholic), he worked to set up a Catholic School and University system. Hughes was also a strong moralist and much of even today's old school Irish Catholicism can be traced back to Hughes's influence.

As for the LaRaza/MechA types, I put them in the same category as the KKK, IRA, Hamas, or Al Sharpton.

1,001 posted on 04/07/2004 10:44:38 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("...and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take...OUR FREEDOM")
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