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To: Bernard Marx
I'm not calling Pat a racist. I think the article was racist, whether he intended it to be or not. There's a distinction there.

I will accuse Pat of being something of a white separatist in that he thinks America can only retain its culture if it remains predominantly white. While that may or may not be true, and I tend to think it's not, that's what Pat thinks.

However, there are millions of non-whites in this country who most definitely share American cultural values, and it might shock Pat to learn that some of them are conservative. Skin color does not determine cultural or political views.

If Pat wants to argue cultural issues, I'm with him. When he brings race into it, I'm not with him. And he brought race into this article bigtime.

815 posted on 04/04/2004 8:58:02 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
ditto on that
818 posted on 04/04/2004 9:31:27 PM PDT by cyborg (Frankenfreude radio death watch has commenced)
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To: Dog Gone
Please go back and re-read the article. I’ll agree the headline (not written by Pat) and the first two paragraphs are ill-considered generalizations and (IMO) examples of imprecise writing. Clarifications about illegal immigration, unbridled multiculturalism, our academic, corporate and neo-Marxist cultural elites, the paleocon anger at the ‘managerial elite’ and the rule of activist judges follow in the body of the piece.

There’s a lot to chew over in his article apart from any perceived ‘racism.’ Since I’m a product of the 1950s like Pat, I also yearn for the cultural homogeneity (among white, black, Hispanic, Asian, etc. Americans) that resulted from true ‘e pluribus unum’ in action. It wasn’t perfect but it was light years ahead of what’s happening now.

I worked hard in the Civil Rights movement to rectify that glaring wrong only to see it hijacked and turned against America by New Left thugs with names like Tom Hayden, Jane Fonda, Jesse Jackson and Bernardie Dohrn who went on to also hijack the Democratic Party. Their only aim has been to radicalize, divide and attempt to destroy us in the name of Karl Marx, not bring us together as a nation. It’s anger against that “divide and conquer” concept I share with Pat: I know where he’s coming from.

One of the most profound moments in my life came a few years ago on a dreary afternoon in London when I was able to look upon the original Magna Carta at the British Museum. When discussions like this come up I think about how much we’re at the tipping-point of losing -- not just in terms of our own founding documents but the bitterly-won path to liberty and republican government paid for in so much blood over so many centuries since that all-important document was penned.

I guess it comes down to an argument over whether a nation should determine its own demographic destiny. While America has always been tolerant of LEGAL immigration and frequently has sought it, I don’t see racism in a decision to shut the doors and determine who can come and when. We’ve shut those doors before when the public demanded it as it’s doing now.

If Mexicans and other non-white immigrants want to become Americans legally, I'm all for it. My problem and I think Pat's is the unwillingness of many newcomers to mainstream. He states it clearly:

"They are not assimilating. They do not want to become Americans. They are concentrating in states bordering Mexico, which is their country and a nation with a historic grievance against us. They are holding on to their language and culture, creating a Hispanic nation within our nation. By 2050, there will be scores of millions of people living here whose loyalty is to a foreign country."

What’s going on with the illegals is just that – illegal. It’s not racist to point it out. Nor is it racist to mention that nearly every other nation on earth sets strict limits and regulations on immigration, starting with our neighbors to the direct north and south. Try walking across the Mexican border without the proper authorization.

820 posted on 04/04/2004 10:02:55 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (In theory there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice there is.)
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