America no longer white, united, English-speaking

The Miami Herald ^ | 02 April 2004 | Patrick J. Buchanan

[ronnieb]

I said the article was racist. How that equates in your mind to me calling two people racist is a little unclear to me.

Well let me clear that up, for you. You called PB and another person on this board a racist. Calling someones words racist, and calling an argument racist, is the same as calling someone racist. You cannot have it both ways. You want to throw the bomb and disavow it at the same time. I'll skip hell thanks, you but thanks for losing your cool. But let me say it in your way. Arguing that whites who want to protect their cultures future are racists, is a racist argument unless it is equally applied to people of other cultures, races, groups whatever. In other words a Jew who desires Isreal to be Jewish is a racist, a Chinese who wants China to remain Chinese is a racist, same for the Japanese, for the Sudanese. For everyone. If that logic is applied to only whites in America and Europe, than those that offer up that pathetic fare are anti-white racists, pure and simple. Or let me say it differently, those that make that argument are making a racist argument. Chooser either one, they are both the same.

[Cronos]

What is American culture BTW? I am still trying to figure that out.

I do think we have our own culture. It's shaped by our Christian beliefs and yes by Protestant-Anglo-Saxon work ethic. Pat's ancestors were CAtholic but they managed to fit in with this work ethic. His main point in this article makes sense but it gets clouded when he tries to make it out to be a color issue. If he had said America no longer united, English-speaking, Western culture, he'd be on the ball. It's not only WHAT you say but how you say it that counts

[I got the rope]

Got news for Pat. America's orginal inhabitants (Mexicans...most of which are pure-blood native indians) are not white.

If you are going to worry about immigration it should be all the freak'n Muslims we allow to come into this country. It is B.S. that we allow people with money to get into this country (i.e. the 9/11 hijackers), but waste millions of dollars to chase down those pesky "wetbacks".

[Cronos]

Agnkor Kat and Machu Pichu must have been swell once upon a time....can we do a "Where Are They Now" on those great civilizations?

True. Angkor Watt was part of the Khmer Empire and comparatively recent 12th century(?) as was Machu Pichu (Inca, abandoned in the 16th century due to Spanish conquests). Let's add the Minoan civilisation in Crete, Mycenean in Greece, Spartan, Athenian, Roman, Macedonian, Celtic, pre-Roman Germanic, Nordic cultures, British (pre-Saxon conquest), SAxon, etc.

If you wish to ask where are they now, the Incas are gone, but the Khmer survived in Kampuchea.

[Cronos]

Immigration is definitely an issue, and illegal immigration even more of an issue. I don't dispute that. I believe it wholeheartedly. I ask you. Is it possible for me to hold those beliefs while despising race-baiting? I think it is. I don't like it from either liberals or conservatives. We ought to be above that, but apparently believing that makes me a racist according to some. Go figure.

WEll put. your sentiments echo mine. Pat's main point about illegal immigration IS valid, but then he gives that valid issue a auslanders raus twist.

[Cronos]

Our benevolent immigrants have "La Raza" billboards plastered all over town. Here's one from 97.9 La Raza radio.
Oh, their racism is equally sickening.

[I got the rope]

Wrong. These are not Mestizos.

They are Indios.

Here's a gallery of Mestizos: Mestizos/Tejanos

Some of are obviously more European-like than others.

[I got the rope]

BWAAAAAAAAAHH! ROTFLMAO!

[cyborg]

Are you familiar with that site or asatru in general? Or did you find that in google?

[I got the rope]

Oooops! Sorry. Pesky Wetbacks

Please Go Pat!

[Cronos]

Thanks, rope.

[ronnieb]

What and how, that is true, but using the word white, and describing the failure of Mexican Immigrants to assimilate, due to their large influx, is not a critcism of their race. It is a critic of the immigration model we are using, namely everybody come...now. It is like inviting more people to dinner than you have seats at the table for.

[Cronos]

Caucasians (not really indo-Europeans, probably an earlier group) most likely DID come here. I'd like to think it was Phoenicians (or as they called themselves, Canaanites), with their reputation as seafarers.

[cyborg]

You didn't answer my question but that's okay. I used to be asatru and was wondering if you were familiar at all with the asatru religion or the various permutations thereof.

[cyborg]

Of course the fact that something is labeled 'caucasian' does not mean what the folks who hosted that article had in mind. East Indians are caucasian according to the evolutionary biologists. Aboriginies are supposed to have their own category but are generally thought of as caucasian.

[Cronos]

Outside of the US,the word caucasian usually means of Northern European appearance.The word 'Aryan' was built on the Indian myth of northern invaders,then borrowed by Nietzsche,then interpreted by Hitler(and some Indians who hate their own skin-color)as fact.

Actually the term Arya is from Vedic times (3000 BC +) and Indo-Europeans are so called because they share the same racial characteristics. The first Indo-European/ARyan civilisations were in the Indus valley, Persia (Iran = land of the Aryas) and the Hittite "empire" with maybe the Mitanni included. The invader myth is dispelled with the Origins of the Aryans being moved to Eastern Persia and western Iran

this ties in with mythology -- the Persians worshipped higher gods (Ahuras) and the lesser ones became demons (Daevas), while in India the opposite family of Gods were revered -- the devas became deities while the Asuras were relegated to demonic status.

In Nordic areas, the religion remained at its primitive form with BOTH families of Gods given nearly equal status -- the Aesir and the Vanir.