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To: SauronOfMordor
I agree with Fred about these items. Many women and some feminists don't want the nanny state either. I just think he is going about getting what he wants in an infantile and intellectually dishonest way.

For one thing there are just as many liberal men who support the "nanny state".

Apparently Fred doesn't realize that there are many women who want "power" just as much as he does. If he is intellectually honest about it, Fred would acknowledge that and fight on the same playing field (instead of retreating to Mexico). Presumably if women today are "gaining power" that means that previously they did not have it. Under our system of government, if you can convince enough people to your POV, then you gain political "power". If you can't, you lose political "power". To whine against them gaining power, when you could be out "gaining power" for your POV, is just ... well whining.

That's why I said "sour grapes". If you find yourself out of power ... cut and run (after whining, citing lies about who is drugging children, and finding a convenient scapegoat). Apparently this is Fred's tactic. Not very manly.

Also, he employs the "victim" ideology he decries in others. (Apparently if men won't sign up to be teachers, it's because they are too afraid of what others may say about them. It's as if the schoolyard has a bunch of scarecrows that men won't brave).

Also, he prioritizes male and female attributes (which he attributes incorrectly to begin with) as being superior and inferior. But he decries it if some women do this same thing! Hypocrisy looks bad on anyone but even worse on a supposedly "manly" man.

He also diminishes people he doesn't agree with by suggesting they have no right to enter the political fray .... that's so lame and undemocratic. To live in a democracy you have to put up with a lot #@&$ that other people believe in ... and hammer out compromises. If you don't have the stomach for that ... I guess you move to Mexico or someplace.

Other than all that, I agree with Fred about the nanny state (as do many conservative women).

125 posted on 04/05/2004 6:58:56 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
Good post!!

There are inherent differences between males and females and those inherent differences cannot be significantly altered over any meaningful period of time. What does change more quickly are the ways in which we try to live with one another. Those changes can influence our behavior for a time, but they don't really change us. I think we just keep experimenting and when certain things don't seem to be working right, we try something new.

None of these experiments are irreversible, though - certainly nothing to leave the country over. ;-)

128 posted on 04/05/2004 7:13:41 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Lorianne
Lorainne, Lorainne, where to start...

Wait a second, the only time I HAVE to stick out the discussion with a woman even though she is not understanding logic is with my wife. It matters there and is a respect issue.

It's just not worth it here. You've worn me down. Carry on, and have fun.
129 posted on 04/05/2004 7:23:35 PM PDT by RobRoy (Science is about "how." Christianity is about "why.")
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