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Driving Down Unknown Roads(The Feminization Of America)
www.fredoneverything.net ^ | 3/29/2004 | Fred Reed

Posted on 04/02/2004 3:05:54 PM PST by teldon30

In the United States women are, I think for the first time in history, gaining real power. Often nations have had queens, heiresses, and female aristocrats. These do not amount to much. Today women occupy positions of genuine authority in fields that matter, as for example publishing, journalism, and academia. They control education through high school. Politicians scramble for their votes. They control the divorce courts and usually get their way with things that matter to them.

If this is not unprecedented, I do not know of the precedent. What will be the consequences?

Men have controlled the world through most of history so we know what they do: build things, break things, invent things, compete with each other fiercely and often pointlessly, and fight endless wars that seem to them justifiable at the time but that, seen from afar, are just what males do. The unanswered question is what women would, or will, do. How will their increasing influence reshape the polity?

Women and men want very different things and therefore very different worlds. Men want sex, freedom, and adventure; women want security, pleasantness, and someone to care about (or for)them. Both like power. Men use it to conquer their neighbors whether in business or war, women to impose security and pleasantness.

I do not suggest that the instinctive behavior of women is necessarily bad, nor that of men necessarily good. I do suggest that that the effects will be profound, probably irreversible, and not necessarily entirely to the liking of either sex. The question may be whether one fears most being conquered or being nicened to death.

Consider what is called the Nanny State by men, who feel smothered by it, but is accepted if not supported by women, who see it as protective and caring. (Yes, I know that there are exceptions and degrees in all of this, and no, I don’t have polling data.) Note that women are much more concerned than are men about health and well-being. Women worry about second-hand smoke, outlawing guns, lowering the allowable blood-alcohol levels for drivers, making little boys wear helmets while riding bicycles, and outlawing such forms of violence as dodge ball or the use of plastic ray guns. Much of this is demonstrably irrational, but that is the nature of instincts. (Neither is the male tendency to form armed bands and attack anyone within reach a pinnacle of reason.)

The implications of female influence for freedom, at least as men understand the word, are not good. Women will accept restrictions on their behavior if in doing so they feel more secure. They have less need of freedom, which is not particularly important in living a secure, orderly, routine, and comfortable life. They tend not to see political correctness as irritating, but as keeping people from saying unpleasant things.

The growing feminizaton accounts for much of the decline in the schools. The hostility to competition of any sort is an expression of the female desire for pleasantness; competition is a mild form of combat, by which men are attracted and women repelled. The emphasis on how children feel about each other instead of on what they learn is profoundly female (as for that matter is the associated fascination with psychotherapy). The drugging of male schoolchildren into passivity is the imposition of pleasantness by chemical means. Little boys are not nice, but fidgety wild men writ small who, bored out of their skulls, tend to rowdiness. They are also hard for the average woman to control and, since male teachers are absent, gelded, or terrified of litigious parents, expulsion and resort to the police fill the void. The oft-repeated suspension of boys for drawing soldiers or playing space war is, methinks, a quietly hysterical attempt to assuage formless insecurity.

The change in marriage and the deterioration of the family are likewise the results of the growth of political power of women. Whether this is good or bad remains to be seen, but it is assuredly happening. Divorce became common because women wanted to get out of unsatisfactory marriages. In divorce women usually want the children, and have the clout to get them. But someone has to feed the young. Thus the vindictive pursuit of divorced fathers who won’t or can’t pay child support. And thus the rise of the government as de facto father to provide welfare, tax breaks, daycare, and otherwise behave as a virtual husband.

When women entered a male workplace, they found that they didn’t much like it. Men told off-color jokes, looked at protuberant body parts, engaged in rough verbal sparring as a form of social interaction, and behaved in accord with rules that women didn’t and don’t understand. Women had the influence to change things, and did. Laws grew like kudzu to ban sexual harassment, whether real or imagined. Affirmative action, in addition to being a naked power grab, avoids competition and therefore making the losers feel bad. It degrades the performance of organizations, sometimes seriously, but performance is a preoccupation of males.

Men are capable of malignant government, whether authoritarian or totalitarian, as witness North Korea or the Russia of Stalin. I don’t know whether women would behave as badly if they had the power. (I’d guess not.) But women have their own totalitarian tendencies. They will if allowed impose a seamless tyranny of suffocating safety, social control, and political propriety. Men are happy for men to be men and women to be women; women want us all to be women.

The United States becomes daily more a woman’s world: comfortable, safe, with few outlets for a man’s desire for risk. The America of wild empty country, of guns and fishing and hunting, of physical labor and hot rods and schoolyard fights, has turned gradually into a land of shopping malls and sensible cars and bureaucracy. Risk is now mostly artificial and not very risky. There is skydiving and scuba and you can still find places to go fast on motorcycles, but it gets harder. Jobs increasingly require the feminine virtues of patience, accommodation to routine, and subordination of performance to civility. Just about everything that once defined masculinity is now denounced as “macho,” a hostile word embodying the female incomprehension of men.

A case can be made that a feminized world would (or will) be preferable to a masculine. Perhaps. It is males who bomb cities and shoot people in Seven-Elevens. Yet the experiment has not been made. I suspect we will have the worst of both worlds: a nation in which men at the top engage in the usual wars and, a step below, women impose inutterable boredom.


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To: Floyd R Turbo
I think the divide and conquer is coming from the feminist the last 40 years, they hated their marriages, their children and wanted control and completely toke over so many things and preached their message everywhere. Their hearts where hardened and embittered and unforgiving of the smallest offensive of their husbands, and they toke this anger and bitterness and used every avenue they could to make sure no other women would marry or have children, or be trapped as they put it, in what they thought was the worst place to be in the world, marriage in America 1950! Never were things ever so good and they threw it all away and we are reaping what has been sewn in our disobedience. Two wrongs never make a right, a husband is a man who makes mistakes, some few, some more, but a wife is to forgive and love again as God has commanded.
101 posted on 04/02/2004 6:46:26 PM PST by Esther Ruth (George W. Bush - My Kids Newest Bestest Super Hero of ALL TIME)
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To: Esther Ruth
smallest offensive = smallest offenses
102 posted on 04/02/2004 6:50:04 PM PST by Esther Ruth (George W. Bush - My Kids Newest Bestest Super Hero of ALL TIME)
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To: LibKill
I'M MASCULINE AND I'M OK! :)

It took the intense conflict of the first twelve years of my marriage to convince my wife it was not her God given right to authoritatively define how each and every situation should be perceived.

Glad that's over.

103 posted on 04/02/2004 7:13:33 PM PST by Woahhs
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To: Lorianne
Agreed, generally. Schools actually do administer the drug, technically, after it is prescribed. The problem is, so called councilors with a minimum Ed. degree, essentially seek a prescription from the school district doc and very little verification is done, after all, they know more than parents. There is too much drugging happening now. It is destroying a least a generation of our potential finest.
104 posted on 04/02/2004 7:40:44 PM PST by Final Authority
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To: Maurkov
Your reply, cute and useless, I'm not surprised in the least.
105 posted on 04/02/2004 7:46:09 PM PST by Final Authority
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To: teldon30
In the United States women are, I think for the first time in history, gaining real power.

I have trouble believing that. It wasn't so long ago that most people lived their entire lives without ever meeting anyone from more than 200 miles away. In such a world, every imaginable kind of social structure must have been tried somewhere.

I doubt very seriously that this is the first time that women-as-a-class have achieved "real power." It's just that all the societies where this arose previously have disappeared from the planet for some reason, without leaving a trace.

You can find little pockets of matriarchal tribes and so on living in bushes, but all of the "tribes" that flourished at the expense of all others and came to dominate the Earth — basically the Indians, the Chinese, the Western Europeans, and the Arabs — all independently came up with the same idea of lifelong pair-bonding between men and women, and the notion that there is a huge benefit to everyone in arranging things such that men know who their children are, and live in the same house with them.

Any tribe or clan that came up with a different idea for how to arrange things has long since been replaced by some group who does do these things.

As ships began crossing oceans and "discovering new worlds," why is that we never once found a society of any size where women ran everything, and everyone there thought that was normal? As people around the planet became connected with one other during the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries, no one encountered even one successful society where the notion of women running things was considered everyday wisdom.

There is an amazing variety of customs on almost every other subject... what to eat, what clothes should look like, what God to believe in. But every single society that was still around to be 'discovered' two or three hundred years ago has the basic notions of lifelong pair-bonding; and men knowing and being responsible for their children. If your society did not invent or copy that system in your little corner of the world, people like you had been overrun, conquered or just faded away by the time the Columbuses and the Magellans arrived on the scene.

I seriously doubt that humans are so smart that we can analyze our situation here in the 21st century and decide that we don't need this remarkably successful organizing principle anymore. It's not like humans haven't been trying to create Heaven on Earth for millenia. The problem is that the closest any group of people ever got was in places where they had words for "husband" and "wife" and everyone knew what that meant.

I don't know the future. No one does. But everything I see around me in the world tells me that abandoning lifelong pair-bonding has a very high probability of turning out to be a fatal, irreversible, civilization-smashing and "tribe smashing" move of the sort that has led to extinction for so many other nations and tribes.

Why lifelong pair-bonding? Because it works. The people who do it flourish and take over the world. The other ones vanish from the planet. It is that serious an issue. We are talking about extinction, as in dinosaurs. We and our Western European fellows are, in a matter of a few generations, squandering a genetic and culturual legacy that was not really ours to "spend." Many people led hard lives to get us — their children's children's children — to where we are now. Who the Hell are we to decide that everything they did was in vain, and that it should all end here?

The birth rates in most Western (and Westernized -- like Jopan) countries are so far below the replacement rate that the cultural and genetic legacy known as "Denmark" will be gone from the Earth by the end of this centuray. It will survive only in books. The same with the Swedes, the Germans, the Italians. And if truth be told, among many of those with the same roots who are living here.

I don't know what caused it, and I don't know where it leads. But it worries me greatly that in all the years humans have been on this Earth, not one society where women gained "real power" has lived to tell about it.


I agree with the people here who say that Islam is at root a matriarchy. It is the culmination of the process Fred describes in this article, where a handful of the Biggest and Baddest males are seemingly "in charge," while the rest of the society stays frozen in the seventh century, unable to organize or accomplish Big Things. To the extent that men over there jump up and down and wave rocks at us to show us how tough they are, it's because that's the best they can do. They live in a place where everything is run by women. Their society never changes; it's boring; it's oppressive. In the usual inimitable way, there are never any female suspects or witnesses as to how this oppressive force called "Islam" stays in place. There's always a holy book to blame, or a front man wearing a beard. I don't buy it. Just look at it... Islam is Woman. It fights like a woman. It organizes its societies according to Monkey Rules, with a tiny cadre of alpha males pretending to be in charge, while virtually all the resources that do not go this handful of "powerful" men go to women. Monkey rules are at root a system for beggaring males... or at least, all but a relative handful of them.

I see I'll probably get flamed for that. I don't care.

White Feather Women
Let's you and him fight


106 posted on 04/02/2004 8:04:39 PM PST by Nick Danger (carpe ductum)
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To: Final Authority
Your reply, cute and useless, I'm not surprised in the least.

Thank you for your insightful response. It was far more appropriate than the diatribe percolating in my head.

107 posted on 04/02/2004 8:06:11 PM PST by Woahhs
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To: teldon30
bump
108 posted on 04/02/2004 8:08:46 PM PST by foreverfree
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To: teldon30
Show me stats that women control the schools,please...

I am taking a guess but most principals and most school board members are MALE....

ever watch women's BB in college?...how many men are coaching women's sports, and ask yourself how many women are coaching men's sports?

If women are gaining all this power, why is it that the fastest buck a women can make is "exotic dancing" or prostitution, or nude modeling?

Look, women are not in control , will never be in control, have never been in control, period...

because a certain fringe group of women can get to be the occasional business whiz, does not mean that the vast majority of women are going to have that power....

most women are like me....working, raising families, charity work, etc etc...we're not setting the world on fire and for the most part are very happy to be the hands that rock the cradle....

women have made gigantic leaps in medicine and law....

but women will never take over the govt or the media or the corporate world where the real power exists....

everybody knows that the Jews have all that cornered....(sarcasm!)

109 posted on 04/02/2004 8:19:13 PM PST by cherry
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To: teldon30
right on mark!!!
110 posted on 04/02/2004 8:27:23 PM PST by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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To: codyjacksmom
You seem to be a bright person on this thread, so I challenge you to do some thought experiments. I'm serious here. I think good dialog and understanding may result as well as developing some method of working through the complex problem of dealing with preconceived notions.

The challenge is, examine the Sub-Sahara family structure of Africa and compare that with western culture as we have known it for the last two centuries. Examine the role of the man and the woman in this process. Campare the resultant society with the western society. Try to come to some conclusions. This will most likely take some effort in research. It may take anyone on this thread several days or weeks to develop and decent understanding of the examination. There is no right or wrong at this point, only degress of understanding. This is the sort of stuff I do all the time when I am not inventing the next high tech widget.
111 posted on 04/02/2004 8:35:17 PM PST by Final Authority
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To: Final Authority
degress S/B degrees, so much for spell check.
112 posted on 04/02/2004 8:38:23 PM PST by Final Authority
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To: Final Authority
Thank you for the compliment. I will seriously consider your challenge. But, you must understand, that I am a typical female in the way I like to spout off with my own ideas'. Research would mean actually thinking and considering another view other than my own. Again, difficult. LOL
113 posted on 04/02/2004 9:47:55 PM PST by codyjacksmom
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To: sauropod; RogerFGay
Well, as for me, I am NOT a denizen of the Gelded Age.

Lol, that's good!

Hey Roger, have you seen this yet?

114 posted on 04/03/2004 7:34:36 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: teldon30; Lorianne
Genius!

Fred gets it.

The 'sexual liberation' of wymyn led to their living lives of wasted abandon -- to the emasculation, feminization and homosexualization of most of America's male children [And most of their children's-clothing be-draped 'fathers'] -- to the threat upon our nation's pillars, establishment, institutions and tenets -- and to the subsequent threat upon the very Judeo-Christian/Western Civilization that our beloved FRaternal Republic has long vanguarded and must forever guard.

And then came the KKKli'toon aberration and its al-queada consequence -- and -- in the Bush Doctrine -- all of our salvation!

Well, maybe except Hawaii's.

Blessings -- B A
115 posted on 04/03/2004 9:29:10 AM PST by Brian Allen (Christian - Male - Republican - American - Pro-Bush - Pro-War - Pro-Gun - Pro-Life! - Any Questions?)
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To: Brian Allen
Why is it some people are so threatened by other people having autonomy over their own lives? You know, its not about making right decisions, or decisions you or I agree with (lots of men make stupid decisions IMO). The point is freedom to make one's own choices. If someone wants to live a life of "wasted abandon", well that's too bad, but none of my business.

Unless of course Fred et al wants to give ME the right to tell him/them how to run their lives ... they have no right to tell me how to run mine. Our entire nation is founded on the principle of INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. If we want to change that, we can certainly go back and do that, turn into an autocracy like Iran etc where a few tell everyone else how to live, or else. Is that what Fred wants? Probably so, as long as he's in the elite who gets to call the shots. Mullah Fred ... has a nice ring to it doesn't it?
116 posted on 04/03/2004 12:28:53 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
No, he did what many of us would like to do but haven't the guts. Early last year he ex-patriated to Mexico. Read his other articles, he is fascinating.

My favorite line about a tough guy he knew: "I'm sure he died the way he would have wanted - Horribly."

Classic Fred!
117 posted on 04/03/2004 1:58:34 PM PST by RobRoy (Science is about "how." Christianity is about "why.")
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To: Lorianne
>>Why is it some people are so threatened by other people having autonomy over their own lives? You know, its not about making right decisions, or decisions you or I agree with (lots of men make stupid decisions IMO). The point is freedom to make one's own choices. If someone wants to live a life of "wasted abandon", well that's too bad, but none of my business.

Unless of course Fred et al wants to give ME the right to tell him/them how to run their lives ... they have no right to tell me how to run mine. Our entire nation is founded on the principle of INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. If we want to change that, we can certainly go back and do that, turn into an autocracy like Iran etc where a few tell everyone else how to live, or else. Is that what Fred wants? Probably so, as long as he's in the elite who gets to call the shots. Mullah Fred ... has a nice ring to it doesn't it?<<

That is exactly what Fred is trying to say. He doesn't want security/safety seeking women telling him how to live his life.

Now you're getting it. You are not a typical western woman, but then, most women on freerepublic aren't, with the exception of maybe Sungirl, if she is still around...
118 posted on 04/03/2004 2:09:57 PM PST by RobRoy (Science is about "how." Christianity is about "why.")
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To: Lorianne
Are you taking something for your disinhibition and for whatever else it is that ails you, Dear?

[I hear there are some pretty impressive anti-psychotics around these days that might ease some of the pressure for you. If, that is, one of femunist Hawaii's rob-the-creators-to-feed-the-parasitical doctor-bill-evader schemes run to their cost]

Cordially -- B A
119 posted on 04/03/2004 4:18:57 PM PST by Brian Allen (Christian - Male - Republican - American - Pro-Bush - Pro-War - Pro-Gun - Pro-Life! - Any Questions?)
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To: Brian Allen
Personal attacks do not an argument make. Besides they are so lame .... you only embarass yourself.

Besides they are against the rules here.

120 posted on 04/03/2004 4:48:07 PM PST by Lorianne
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