[Dimensio]

I'll be taking on the rest of this later tonight, but I was skimming through and found this little absurdity:

1 - This is the evolutionary formula for making a universe:

Nothing + nothing = two elements + time = 92 natural elements + time = all physical laws and a completely structured universe of galaxies, systems, stars, planets, and moons orbiting in perfect balance and order.

2 - This is the evolutionary formula for making life:

Dirt + water + time = living creatures.

Both statements are false. Evolution says NOTHING about the creation of the universe, and it says NOTHING about the origin of the first life forms. That the author makes this claim directly exposes his utter and complete ignorance of the theory of evolution.

I was concerned that I'd have to do a lot of research to debunk the claims that you copied and pasted, but if the scholarship level of the rest of the offerings are on par with the above excerpt, I shouldn't worry at all, as the author is clearly arguing from total ignorance.

[Cowgirl]

You are talking about college text books, I'm talking about grade school text books. If you have a problem with that statement, it's not me. After all, I don't even believe it. This is what is being taught in the grade
schools.

[Qwinn]

"Evolution says NOTHING about the creation of the universe, and it says NOTHING about the origin of the first life forms."

For the record, let me state that I am not a Creationist. As an agnostic, I don't believe that evolution and ID necessarily contradict each other (pretty much the Catholic perspective).

However, your statement above avoids what I believe is a valid point regarding education in our schools. Whether those two things are included in the theory of evolution is besides the point - they ARE taught in schools, whether as a part of evolutionary theory or not. I was taught that abiogenesis was the result of a bunch of amino acids that just happened to assemble into proteins, then cells, etc... and I was taught the big bang theory.

Fine, if you don't consider these to belong to the theory of evolution, I won't argue with that. But they ARE taught in schools, and no other perspective is permitted, despite the fact that they are just as faith based as saying "God created the first life forms, and let evolution take it from there".

In all of these evo/creo threads, I -constantly- see the evo side make this claim - that evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis. Okay! Fine! Accepted! But then why is abiogensis also taught in schools, and usually in the chapter right before they start teaching evolution?

Qwinn