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Republican Party has ignored its principles
The Greenville News ^
| March 26, 2004
| Robert G. Butch Taylor (letter to the editor)
Posted on 03/26/2004 12:06:46 PM PST by Willie Green
Edited on 05/07/2004 9:06:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Oh now I see. Yes, that does draw direct parallels in this peaceful, tranquil world. With Free Trade every nation will work towards the collective best interests of All Nations and All Peoples. Wars as we can clearly see from current events are a thing of the distant past.
China, in particular, in the 3 years subsequent to their threatening to Nuke us, has seen the light and are taking down those towering trade barriers to our products as we speak. I'm not even worried about their legion of industrial spies in the U.S. or their wont to pirate anything they can get their hands on. Isn't that so silly for them to do that? And I'm sure the vast resources they are plunging into their military is really just a sign of Goodwill towards all men.
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posted on
03/26/2004 6:36:33 PM PST
by
WRhine
To: Luis Gonzalez
Glad to see that you are learning American history. It took you over 2 hours to finally admit that Nixon was not impeached.
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posted on
03/26/2004 6:52:40 PM PST
by
texastoo
(a "has-been" Republican)
To: Luis Gonzalez
Amnesty.
A sovereign act of forgiveness for past acts, granted by a government to all persons (or to certain classes of persons) who have been guilty of crime or delict, generally political offenses, - treason, sedition, rebellion, draft evasion, - and often conditioned upon their return to obedience and duty within a prescribed time. The 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act provided amnesty for many undocumented aliens already present in the country.
Included in the concept of pardon is "amnesty," which is similar in all respects to a full pardon, insofar as when it is granted both the crime and punishment are abrogated; however, unlike pardons, an amnesty usually refers to a class of individuals irrespective of individual situations. State v. Morris, 55 Ohio St.2d 101, 9 O.O.3d 92, 378 N.E.2d 708, 711.
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posted on
03/26/2004 6:57:04 PM PST
by
William Terrell
(Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
To: Southack
Some of the things you list as credit for Bush are bad policies, such as the Medicare so-called reform, and instead of supporting another federal school so-called reform like the no child left behind Bush should be using the bully pulpit to get Americans on board for vouchers. Bush has done some good, but he hasn't taken on entrenched special interests such as both NEA's and unnecessary bureaucracy.
Let's put pressure on Bush to do cater to his conservative base in this election year. Otherwise, I fear, he will veer more to the left.
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posted on
03/26/2004 7:24:57 PM PST
by
fatidic
To: looscnnn
So it is ok for you, being a southerner, to spout stereotype about southerners? I did not "spout stereotype about southerners." That is your demented and unlearned conclusion.
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posted on
03/26/2004 7:25:26 PM PST
by
Skooz
(My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
To: Doohickey
That's a goal, and a worthy one. What will you do after that? I will continue to vote. Every time. Like always.
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posted on
03/26/2004 7:28:18 PM PST
by
Skooz
(My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
To: Southack
Bookmark bump.
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posted on
03/26/2004 7:32:49 PM PST
by
Bernard Marx
(In theory there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice there is.)
To: Grampa Dave
There is only one issue in this fall's presidential election: the continued existence of the United States of America. The sooner Republicans running for office or re-election practice that, the better off both they and we will be.
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posted on
03/26/2004 7:44:47 PM PST
by
lewislynn
(Free traders know it isn't , they just believe cheap popcorn makers raises their living standards.)
To: William Terrell
ab·ro·gate(click to hear the word) (
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tr.v. ab·ro·gat·ed,
ab·ro·gat·ing,
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- To abolish, do away with, or annul, especially by authority.
Even your definition agrees with my point. It isn't an amnesty, because the punishment is not abrogated, but rather it is reduced or simply changed.
Thanks for proving me right.
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posted on
03/26/2004 8:12:18 PM PST
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Unless the world is made safe for Democracy, Democracy won't be safe in the world.)
To: texastoo
"Glad to see that you are learning American history."I know American history boy, I specially like the part where you stole Texas from Mexico.
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posted on
03/26/2004 8:13:34 PM PST
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Unless the world is made safe for Democracy, Democracy won't be safe in the world.)
To: WRhine
"With Free Trade every nation will work towards the collective best interests of All Nations and All Peoples."No, that's your globalist, Marxist mentality.
Free trade is about people, not nations.
"Nations" are governments, and the only thing that governments can do effectively, is limit freedoms.
Were you a conservative, you would know these things, but you are a communist, so you don't.
Your argument is basically that since communist China limits the freedom of their citizens to freely trade, we should do the same.
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posted on
03/26/2004 8:17:39 PM PST
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Unless the world is made safe for Democracy, Democracy won't be safe in the world.)
To: Doohickey
whose negotiating? I am saying the constitution party needs to understand we have a system that depends on two parties.
As long as the democrats are around, they are not significant. NOW if they worked to erasing the democrat party and then having national debates be between the Republican Party and Constitution Party, THEN we would be cooking with gas.
To: Luis Gonzalez
It isn't an amnesty, because the punishment is not abrogated, but rather it is reduced or simply changed. Perpetual reduction and simple change equals abrogation. If a criminal faces legal sanctions by virtue of the law he violates, and is released from those sanctions temporarily, with an option for renewal of that release, and eventual citizenship, his punishment has been abrogated by an amnesty.
I can't see any way around it, and you haven't shown me one. I can't say that I appreciate Clintonian word parsing by a republican (advertised as conservative) executive and legislature.
The only difference I discern between abrogation by definition and abrogation in fact is the number of steps.
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posted on
03/26/2004 9:17:26 PM PST
by
William Terrell
(Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
To: William Terrell
"Perpetual reduction and simple change equals abrogation."You like pleying silly word games, don't you?
Abrogation means elimination, change means change.
Nice try
Are you writing for Kerry these days?
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posted on
03/26/2004 9:19:11 PM PST
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Unless the world is made safe for Democracy, Democracy won't be safe in the world.)
To: William Terrell
"Abrogation means elimination, change means change." And the law has not changed by the way, but the mode, the mechanism, and parameters of assessing penalties for disobeying the law have.
They have not been eliminated, they are simply different.
Nice try however.
Reducing the range of penalties allowed for conviction of a crime is in no way abrogating. Removing them altogether would be.
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posted on
03/26/2004 9:24:42 PM PST
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Unless the world is made safe for Democracy, Democracy won't be safe in the world.)
To: Willie Green
Someone needs to mail Mr. Taylor a crying towel.
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posted on
03/26/2004 9:27:50 PM PST
by
BigSkyFreeper
(Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke)
To: Luis Gonzalez
EXCELLANT POINT
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posted on
03/26/2004 9:28:48 PM PST
by
rrrod
To: Luis Gonzalez
Abrogation means elimination, change means change. Abrogation implies instant result. Changes that inevitably end in that result is abrogation without instancy, but abrogation nonetheless.
However, in this case, abrogation does lead to instant result. Illegals that apply are not illegal anymore, and don't face the consequences of their crime. Abrogation.
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posted on
03/27/2004 7:54:18 AM PST
by
William Terrell
(Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
To: Luis Gonzalez
And the law has not changed by the way, but the mode, the mechanism, and parameters of assessing penalties for disobeying the law have. They have not been eliminated, they are simply different. Nice try however. Reducing the range of penalties allowed for conviction of a crime is in no way abrogating. Removing them altogether would be. With the net result of abrogation of the crime; amnesty in fact. For those illegals that apply, they are no longer illegal. The laws against illegals don't apply to them.
They become a group that has had the consequences of their crime removed. They have been awarded amnesty. Amnesty in all other senses of the word means removing the subjects from the sanctions of a law. The law is still in effect, but the penalties thereof no longer affect them.
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posted on
03/27/2004 8:00:43 AM PST
by
William Terrell
(Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
To: Willie Green
Pretty sad to be in a heads you lose, tails you lose, situation. Have you received alot of calls from the RNC asking you to listen to a recording of Delay or some other Republican, then asking if you are going to vote for Bush?
I have had three of them, and informed them that Bush is far too liberal for me to vote for. It's going to be strange for me to sit out an election, I have never missed one and have always voted Republican. Now I feel like Reagan, "I didn't leave my party, they left me".
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