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Local atheist: Contested [pledge] phrase is a hate crime
Minneapolis Star Tribune ^
| March 25, 2004
| Kevin Diaz
Posted on 03/26/2004 8:28:01 AM PST by Schatze
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... Castle said, "it is not an overstatement to call it a hate crime."
For libs, anything they disagree with is a hate crime.
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posted on
03/26/2004 8:28:01 AM PST
by
Schatze
To: Schatze
Where do these people come from?
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posted on
03/26/2004 8:30:04 AM PST
by
NCjim
To: NCjim
Where do these people come from?The bowels of Hell.
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posted on
03/26/2004 8:31:47 AM PST
by
madison10
To: Schatze
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posted on
03/26/2004 8:32:57 AM PST
by
Calpernia
(http://members.cox.net/classicweb/Heroes/heroes.htm)
To: madison10
No, that's where they are going.
/hatespeechoff
To: Schatze
What this woman seems to forget, is that philosophers such as Locke, Jefferson, and Aquinos all believed that the rights of individuals COME FROM GOD.
The Constitution limits the government from infringing on these rights- they are NOT granted by the government.
So her "right" she claims is being violated, as an atheist, comes from God.
Don't you love the irony?
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posted on
03/26/2004 8:35:16 AM PST
by
Lunatic Fringe
(John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
To: NCjim
The Iron Range ?
To: Schatze
Atheists for Human RightsMore like Atheists Against Free Speech
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posted on
03/26/2004 8:37:03 AM PST
by
AppyPappy
(If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
To: Schatze
He said: "You may argue from dawn to dusk about differing political, economic and social systems, but the fundamental issue which is the unbridgeable gap between America and Communist Russia is a belief in Almighty God . . ." Given the level of hostility at the time, Castle said, "it is not an overstatement to call it a hate crime."
It is a hate crime to be against Communism. The amazing part is it was a Democrat who inserted the phrase and correctly pointed out the 'unbridgeable gap'. If a Democrat did that today, they would be tarred and feathered.
To: All
Is it just me, or are these elderly cranks the most hateful liberals out there?
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posted on
03/26/2004 8:42:27 AM PST
by
Belisaurius
("Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Ted" - Joseph Kennedy 1958)
To: Schatze; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; ...
Not one to stand idly by in the face of perceived injustice, the 77-year-old former Catholic has written a long brief to the U.S. Supreme Court in support of California atheist Michael Newdow, who urged the justices Wednesday to drop "under God" from the pledge.
News Advisory
MARCH 22, 2004For Release ImmediatelyCONTACT: Marie Alena Castle, Communications Director
Atheists Call "Under God" in Pledge a "Hate Crime"
On March 24, when atheist Michael Newdow begins arguing his case before the U.S. Supreme Court against keeping "under God" in the pledge of allegiance, he will have among his supporters Atheists For Human Rights (AFHR), based in Minneapolis, MN. AFHR, assisted by attorney Jerrold M. Gorski, Anaheim, CA, has submitted an amicus curiae (friend of the court) brief in support of Newdow's challenge. Read and download the amicus curiae brief on this website in PDF format.
The brief argues that the sole purpose of inserting "under God" in the pledge was a desire to harm American citizens who were atheists. Marie Alena Castle, communications director for AFHR said, "We researched the congressional record for that time and found that hatred of atheists was the overriding motive for changing the pledge. Given the level of hostility, it is not an overstatement to call it a hate crime. For example, when Rep. Louis C. Rabaut introduced the bill in the House on Feb. 12, 1954, he said, '...You may argue from dawn to dusk about differing political, economic, and social systems, but the fundamental issue which is the unbridgeable gap between America and Communist Russia is a belief in Almighty God.' He then went on to charge atheism with being the root of 'the evil weed' of communism, materialism and political dictatorship. He said, 'An atheistic American, ...is a contradiction in terms' and affirmed that only 'under God' can there be 'liberty and justice for all.'"
The brief cites a number of such examples, including the Civil Rights Act of 1963. During debate on the Act, the following amendment was offered: "Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, it shall not be an unlawful employment practice for an employer to refuse to hire and employ any person because of said person's atheistic practices and beliefs." The amendment was debated on February 8, 1964, in the House, where it passed 137 to 98, but it failed in the Senate.
The AFHR brief cites a precedence for removal of "under God" in the Lawrence v. Texas sodomy decision. In that case, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor based her ruling for reversal of Alabama's anti-sodomy statute in part on its enactment being a "a bare desire to harm an unpopular group." The AFHR brief points out that the same rationale can be applied to "under God" in the pledge.
"We think most Americans would be dismayed to know that 'under God' went into the pledge, not as a well-intentioned religious sentiment, but as a deliberate, mean-spirited attack on decent citizens who happened to be nonreligious," Castle said. "To leave that phrase in is an insult, not just to nonbelievers, but to every fair-minded believer as well. Neither religion nor democracy are well-served when God beliefs are used as a club to enforce conformity in matters of religious and political opinion."
Read and download the amicus curiae brief on this website in PDF format.
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posted on
03/26/2004 8:49:10 AM PST
by
NYer
(Prayer is the Strength of the Weak)
To: madison10
What percentage of this country is atheist? Why should the vast majority have to bend over for them?
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posted on
03/26/2004 8:50:50 AM PST
by
broadsword
(The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for Democrats to get elected.)
To: broadsword
it's just that same old "freedom from religion" argument again
To: Schatze
I suppose forcing your child into a controversy over a pledge that she is willing to say, and divorcing your wife who believes in God is an act of love. People willing to destroy their families over their own political agenda aren't people who we should respect.
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posted on
03/26/2004 8:56:02 AM PST
by
man of Yosemite
("When a man decides to do something everyday, that's about when he stops doing it.")
To: broadsword
Heard the percentages on the radio, yesterday I believe, the percentage of atheists to those who believe in God is VERY small.
I, too, wonder why the majority is forced to take what to the minority is able to force on them. Maybe it's just that the minority is the obnoxious squeaky wheel & the majority is too well-mannered to protest.
To: man of Yosemite
ah, but it's the principle of the matter... /sarcasm off
To: madison10
"The bowels of Hell."I think this is more likely where she is going than where she came from.
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posted on
03/26/2004 8:59:29 AM PST
by
DaiHuy
(MUST HAVE JUST BEEN BORN THAT WAY...)
To: Schatze
"it is not an overstatement to call it a hate crime." Before you go off on all us atheists, remember that you Christians have your wackos too.
To: broadsword
What percentage of this country is atheist?It's .006 percent (six-tenths of 1 percent). America is truly suffering under the tyranny of the minority.
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posted on
03/26/2004 9:03:15 AM PST
by
Schatze
(It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.)
To: antiRepublicrat
But you have to consider that the freest most successful country on earth was built by Christians and no society on earth was ever built by atheists. We are no threat to you.
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posted on
03/26/2004 9:04:22 AM PST
by
broadsword
(The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for Democrats to get elected.)
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