[Criminal Number 18F]

What's wrong with bull-pup rifles that some design work couldn't cure?

Ask H&K -- or the British Army. H&K burned through at least two gargantuan contracts to fix the British L85 bullpups and the upshot of the whole thing is that -- they still stink. SAS carries M4A1s, mostly, and won't touch the L85 with a bargepole. The rest of HMs Army has no choice but totes the L85 around. Bullpups are a good idea that are yet to have a good implementation.

The French FAMAS is almost as bad, but then again, it was designed only to be dropped or stacked...

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[Killing Time]

Ah yes the SA80 - a classic design by committee procurement fiasco.

However, I seem to remember a couple of reports to the effect that the re-vamped L85 performed creditably in Iraq.