[Jack Black]

I've heard only good things about the HK-USP pistols, though I don't own one. I have handled them several times and they fit the hand nicely. They also have a very well thought out manual of arms. They also are easily converted to left handed set up, or to DAO, etc.

The P7 is a bit of a cult gun, and loved by many. The VP-70 was the first gun to be built of mostly plastic. So, they seem to make some good weapons and to be innovaters. In you innovate you sometimes screw up I guess, too. Which or their weapons are you talking about? I assume you have not shot this one yet.

[reluctantwarrior]

There are two issues one is caliber and the other is barrel length. I don't care if we go back to flintlocks firing .75 caliber round lead balls, as long as we don't spend a billion dollars to dress up a 5.56mm weapon using a 9.5 to 12.5 in barrel. The caliber doesn't kill and generally takes several hits to incapacitate so most soldiers empty a mag at a target, bad for the loggies to resupply. The barrel length's of less than 14 inches do not allow sufficient muzzle velocity for the round to be lethal at ranges greater than 150 for 12.5 and at the muzzle for 9.5inches. So I would prefer a M4 with an Op rod and 6.8mm SPC caliber with a 14in barrel.

[TXnMA]

The P7 is a bit of a cult gun, and loved by many

Count me among the 'many'.

Less than two hours ago, I put 17 rounds through my P7M8 -- rapid fire at 15 meters -- and all in a 2.5" circle.

My bumper sticker reads, "Insured by H&K"...

[Euro-American Scum]

I've heard only good things about the HK-USP pistols, though I don't own one. I have handled them several times and they fit the hand nicely. They also have a very well thought out manual of arms. They also are easily converted to left handed set up, or to DAO, etc.

I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But I've never handled the HK USP comfortably. In any caliber. The stock is simply too big to get my hand around. And that's saying something, because I own two Para Ordnance double-stack .45s, and they fit my hand like a glove.

Second, I never saw the value of a DA/SA pistol. And since all my guns were bought as self-defense weapons, I would hate to get into a firefight and forget which firing mode I'm in. Also, I don't like the long trigger pull on the first round in single action.

I don't doubt the quality of HK firearms. Their reputation precedes them. But when TSHTF, give me something simple and reliable, like a Glock 30.