STRAIGHT AIDS MYTH SHATTERED

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[Pikamax]

THE public health experts - and their amen corner in the media - owe Helen Gurley Brown an apology. The legendary Cosmopolitan editor was vilified in 1993 when she published a piece called "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS." But she was right.

[L.N. Smithee]

My very liberal SIL stated that the largest growing group of AIDS patients in the US is black women. Anybody have stats that I can slam her with???

I believe that stat is addressed in the Details article. Intravenous drug use is the main culprit, to the best of my memory.

[Atlas Sneezed]

>>>While the risk factor for women is quite possibly higher for women than men in hetero contact

Vastly higher. Compare unheard-of (men) to difficult (women)

>>...the statistics fumento is using (from CDC) don't support that it is anywhere near as difficult for men to get AIDS from women as you imply. Men getting AIDS from women is about 4,000 to 5,000 per year and women getting AIDS from men is about 6,300 to 7,500 per year.

Correction, that is Men CLAIMING to have gotten AIDS heterosexually. Who would lie about being a junkie or bisexual? The CDC makes no effort to validate these claims. The NYC health department used to, and they ALWAYS found that the patient was lying. One of the comments above recounts the joke.

>>What is your source for your estimated number (500-1000) of risk encounters necessary for transmission?

Professor Padian, UC Berkeley. Search the web, or go straight to fumento.com, which will cite it.

[NYC Republican]

I knew this back in the mid-80s, as did anyone savvy enough to see right through the various lobbies and their spin/lies/propoganda. That's all it was.

Thanks for posting!

[blanknoone]

Am I looking for Nancy or Kevin Padian or Padian Lab at Berkeley? Could you link to something?

[NYC Republican]

Only via a specific act.

[Hildy]

Who was that basketball player who said he got AIDS from sleeping with too many women. I remember saying to my Father, any man who has had sex with that many women, has had sex with men too. Period.

[Oberon]

Only via a specific act.

I guess that particular act is pretty popular in sub-Saharan Africa, then.

[blanknoone]

Nevermind, I found your source. A single 96 person sample size study is not very convincing. I'm not saying its wrong...only that that is not great evidence. They also peg the male to female transmission awfully low at 0.1%. That would apply to both male hetero and male bisexual carriers...yet there are still more than 6,000 cases a year.

[LWalk18]

That was Magic Johnson- and my mother said the same thing when he announced he had HIV back in 1991.

[blanknoone]

Another issue with that study...the couples in the study knew their partner had the virus and were using condoms!

[Atlas Sneezed]

Another issue with that study...the couples in the study knew their partner had the virus and were using condoms!

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Other studies have come up with similar numbers.

And reports of the Padian study differ in whether or not some participate used condoms and or had anal sex.

Certainly, some of the sex was without condoms.

And 90 couple followed over years is a solid bit of data (80% of women never became infected.)

[Atlas Sneezed]

They also peg the male to female transmission awfully low at 0.1%. That would apply to both male hetero and male bisexual carriers...yet there are still more than 6,000 cases a year.

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At least 6000 who claim that they weren't also doing IV drugs. Keep in mind that a woman receiving anal sex from an IV drug user is about at the same risk as a gay man receiving the same.

Also, these 6000 are concentrated heavily in the most drug-infested cities. Sex practices are fairly widely distributed, but IV drugs aren't.

I'll bet that if you investigated each and every case, you would find that the vast majority of all infected women were IV drug users or had sex with IV drug users.

The AIDS situation among those who do not
1. do IV drugs or receive anal sex from those who do
2. receive anal sex from others who also receive anal sex or do IV drugs,
Is essentially non-existent.

[Dark Knight]

I was very serious, if you have the citations on the HIV/AIDS link, or on the funding by persons skeptical of HIV/AIDS link, I would love to see them!

DK

[george wythe]

The numbers don't even make sense. If there are a million people in the USA with HIV, and HIV has a ten year latency for death there should be (and thank God there are not) about 100,000 deaths per year from AIDS.

That's because the number of people infected is bogus.

The "gay plague" might not even be a plague after all.

I remember a conversation I had with a high-ranking Florida official in charge of the AIDS statistics in the state. He told me that the numbers were mostly educated guesses.

But the CDC is not even requiring testing to show the HIV is present in an AIDS death anymore.

Further proof that the numbers of infected people are exaggerated.

I doubt that many non-drug-using gay men have been infected during protected sex.

As the original article stated, both conservatives and liberals have axes to grind in claiming that the AIDS threat is bigger than it actually is. The real figures are significantly smaller for both the heterosexual and homosexual communities.

[blanknoone]

IV drug use is pretty easy to establish medically...and as the statistics show more IV drug use cases than hetero transmission, it obviously has been looked into pretty closely. (I really doubt a majority acknowledge that right off the bat)

The AIDS situation among those who do not 1. do IV drugs or receive anal sex from those who do 2. receive anal sex from others who also receive anal sex or do IV drugs, Is essentially non-existent

There are few fewer cases than the alarmists would have people believe, but it happens and in significant numbers, just not epidemic numbers.

[NYC Republican]

The only way a woman gets AIDS from a guy is the same way a guy gets it from another fag, I mean, guy - anal sex. Plain and simple.

[Atlas Sneezed]

IV drug use is pretty easy to establish medically...and as the statistics show more IV drug use cases than hetero transmission, it obviously has been looked into pretty closely. (I really doubt a majority acknowledge that right off the bat)

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But the folks doing the research would be put out of work by saying this.

The fact is that essentially ALL of those involved have a vested personal financial interest in believing all the liars who claim they were heterosexually infected. There is NO party who cares to debunk these widespread claims (since the NYC health department stopped doing so.)

[whittakerchambers]

The homos repeat the "aids isn't just a gay problem" line with such vehemence that most right-thinking people sense there is something specious going on and they aren't fooling anybody.

[scripter]

You might find this helpful: HIV/AIDS Statistics. There's a lot more here.

Thanks for the ping, ER.

[Dark Knight]

Just want to thank you. I went to the CDC site and looked it up. There is no causal link as yet. Of course it is not stated that way.

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/evidhiv.htm

They have unfortunately asserted that HIV has passed the KOCH Postulate for infectious diseases and they hedged! Where every candidate had to have HIV, they said virtually in postulates one and two. In postulate one, it is not as important but in postulate two it is required. Not almost all, not everyone but one. ALL.

For the third postulate everything starts breaking down. Three health workers, fifty six health workers, 11 neonates (in what sounds like a horrid experiment in the Netherlands, yuck), all very small populations. HIV was involved. The question is, was HIV causal? Duesberg would ask, was it AZT, the drug used for treatment? AZT was an experimental drug tested for cancer but dismissed because it was too POISONOUS. The mounds of evidence at the CDC site is less than one hundred, and not even close to one hundred percent.

I don't want to rehash Duesberg's voluminous book, but stomach ulcers were blamed on all sorts of things till H. Pylori was discovered. They haven't done the groundwork science, and that's why given an unimaginable amount of money, there is no answer to infection mechanism of HIV.

Duesberg, a pioneering retrobiologist who found the first retro-virus causing cancer, said HIV does not have enough genetic information to act in the miriad of ways people ascribe to it.

That and a Nobel Laureate would give me second thoughts.

DK