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Toomey/Specter: 10 POINT RACE!!! Toomey Gains Big Time!!!
Wall Street Journal's OpinionJournal's Political Diary ^ | March 15,2004 | Wall Street Journal's OpinionJournal's Political Diary

Posted on 03/16/2004 8:19:59 AM PST by GeneralHavoc

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To: GeneralHavoc
Was the poll independent or was it commissioned by the Club For Growth or the Toomey campaign?
41 posted on 03/16/2004 10:10:34 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: GeneralHavoc
BUMP
42 posted on 03/16/2004 10:17:09 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: conspiratoristo
GOP senator: Ashcroft should consider recusal on leak probe [Arlen Specter]

Specter against D.C. plan: Claims program violates the First Amendment

Novak: DEMOCRATS LOVE SPECTER

Go Toomey!

43 posted on 03/16/2004 10:21:06 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Hey John F'in. Kerry, why the long face?)
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To: GeneralHavoc
Thanks much for the link! Let's kick the RINO Senators out!!
44 posted on 03/16/2004 11:01:41 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: GeneralHavoc
Toomey is going to win this race! He is picking up all the momentum!

About a third of the Republicans are very conservative. But about half are not nearly as conservative as Toomy.

Toomey won't win this race. He is at 37 percent and that is where he will stay.

Toomey has as much chance of beating Spector as Tom McClintock had of beating Arnie. Three out of 4 undecideds could break for Toomey and he would still lose. This looks like a 55 to 45 race. That is a big win for Spector.

All Toomey will accomplish is to convince other candidates that they need to be as liberal as Spector to win in Pennsylvania.

45 posted on 03/16/2004 11:11:03 AM PST by Common Tator
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To: conspiratoristo
"Campaign Finance Reform No Child Left Behind Medicare Prescription Drugs Immigration Control and Reform GWB support of Spector over Toomey More Funding Dollars for the NEA than Incr'd Border Security Not One Veto of A Spending Bill in Three Years Poor support of Judicial Candidates in the Senate, (No Lobbying)

It's hard to convince me to vote for him on his record. Tax Cuts and the War on Terror are great. There has to be more.

Alan Keyes said:"The lesser of two evils is still evil"

The most convincing argument for voting for B/C'04 is appointment of Supreme Court justices who will probably have more influence in the next 30 years than the Executive or the Legislative Branches.

If GWB loses this election, it is because the people who put him there in 2000 have lost faith in him. It is his fault, not theirs."

Now you sound like that radical Bush basher, what's his name? Aah, Badray. Yea, you sound like that guy.

You must be pretty smart. ;-)

46 posted on 03/16/2004 11:34:43 AM PST by Badray (Make sure that the socialist in the White House has to fight a conservative Congress.)
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To: Common Tator
"Toomey won't win this race. He is at 37 percent and that is where he will stay."

Uh, dude, look at the poll figures at www.politicspa.com

17% is undecided. If he can get a good chunk of those undecided and keep up the momentum, he wins. The biggest enemy he faces is name recognition, not Specter.

Oh yeah, and you are way off when you suggest only 33% of the PA Republican party is conservative. If 33% of voters in the US in most polls consider themselves conservative, that's insane to suggest in the GOP only 33 or 37% are conservative themselves.

Oh yeah, and finally, Bush is going to get killed in PA with a liberal like Specter on the ticket with him and WE WILL lost the Senate seat. Trust me, conservatives will simply not vote for Arlen or vote against him, while with Toomey on the ticket Bush will have an energized base coming out to the polls.
47 posted on 03/16/2004 12:09:21 PM PST by GeneralHavoc (Want to Help Pat Toomey? Join Toomey Meetup!: http://www.toomeyforsenate.meetup.com/)
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To: GeneralHavoc
17% is undecided

Right and in a 47-37 race he needs 14% of the undecideds to break his way.

If you are going to be that upset having Arleen Sphincter as your senator, take the better odds, and Buy a lottery ticket and hope to move.

48 posted on 03/16/2004 12:13:52 PM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: GeneralHavoc
I don't live in PA, but if I did I'd vote for a democrat before I voted for Specter -- any democrat. Specter is in line to be the next chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. If that happens any hope of seating a conservative Justice on the court is lost. The GOP will not lose control of the senate if Specter loses. I would love to see Toomey win this away from Specter, but if he doesn't, I urge my PA brethren to vote for anybody but Specter. Control of the Supreme Court is at stake, and that is more important than the GOP holding on to this seat in PA.
49 posted on 03/16/2004 12:30:54 PM PST by JHL
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To: hobbes1
"Right and in a 47-37 race he needs 14% of the undecideds to break his way."

You are forgetting one big thing: Many people are supporting Specter simply because they have no idea who Pat is or think he is 50 points out.

Specter will lose a few points easy when voters find out who Pat is and how competitive the race is, and if the undecided fall our way, its a WIN!
50 posted on 03/16/2004 12:48:17 PM PST by GeneralHavoc (Want to Help Pat Toomey? Join Toomey Meetup!: http://www.toomeyforsenate.meetup.com/)
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To: GeneralHavoc
A RINO is just a donkey with horn a glued on his nose.. Toomey must not be fooled..
51 posted on 03/16/2004 1:37:02 PM PST by hosepipe
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To: JHL
I don't live in PA, but if I did I'd vote for a democrat before I voted for Specter -- any democrat. Specter is in line to be the next chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. If that happens any hope of seating a conservative Justice on the court is lost. The GOP will not lose control of the senate if Specter loses. I would love to see Toomey win this away from Specter, but if he doesn't, I urge my PA brethren to vote for anybody but Specter. Control of the Supreme Court is at stake, and that is more important than the GOP holding on to this seat in PA.

You are exactly right.

52 posted on 03/16/2004 1:50:52 PM PST by Palai
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To: Common Tator
Toomey won't win this race. He is at 37 percent and that is where he will stay.

Nah. In 1998 two "names on the ballot" (I call them that because in the true sense of the word they really cannot be called candidates. They had no money and ran no real campaign.) together got 35% against Specter in the GOP primary. I count it as extremely unlikely that Toomey, a current Congressman, after running a legitimate statewide campaign with money to spend, TV ads, credible name recognition, many endorsements, etc., manages to get only 2% more than they did. Toomey is likely to get nearly all of the undecideds and still has enough time to peel off Specter loyalists.

Down by 10 against an entrenched inbument with 6 more weeks? Not bad at all. It can be done.

Additionally, your contention that his loss would convince Republicans to run liberal is belied by the presence of Santorum. He's already testament to conservatives being able to win statewide. A Toomey loss would simply illuminate the difficulty of beating incumbents in primaries.

53 posted on 03/16/2004 2:49:02 PM PST by ForOurFuture
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To: GeneralHavoc
It'll be closer than 10%, Toomey's supporters are more passionate and more likely show up at the polls. Will Arlin Specter win this primary? It's Not Proven.
54 posted on 03/16/2004 3:27:34 PM PST by JohnBDay
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To: AGreatPer
What would happen if Specter wins in April and goes away for the November election? I have no clue.

Frank Lautenberg is willing to step in at the last minute.

55 posted on 03/16/2004 3:58:58 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Ping
56 posted on 03/16/2004 4:01:07 PM PST by P.O.E. (Enjoy every sandwich)
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To: conspiratoristo
Local news (KDKA) just did a piece showing a poll that the numbers are now 47% - 38% ! They're in the stretch..........
57 posted on 03/16/2004 4:09:50 PM PST by smokeyb
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To: P.O.E.
BUMP
58 posted on 03/16/2004 6:14:43 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: NittanyLion
but I must admit yours is the first post I've seen telling people a vote for the most conservative primary candidate would be a wasted one.
Amazing..

____Toomey cannot beat Hoeffel in the general election. Hoeffel will receive a lot of GOP votes---as he always has.
59 posted on 03/16/2004 7:04:21 PM PST by Bushbacker
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To: GeneralHavoc
$50--SENT!
60 posted on 03/16/2004 8:13:25 PM PST by dfergu7477
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