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To: samtheman
We one both wars basically on our own.

The Cold War was not really a classic war and the nature of the Soviet economic system had more to do with it's collapse than anything else though some Reagan era policies may have hastened it by a generation or so. We did not win WWII one our own at all. The bulk of the fighting was done by the Soviets. The Western front was an after thought to Germans in their war plans. The ever glorified "Battle of the Bulge" - does not even merit any comparison to any of the Major or even middling Soviet- German engagements on the Eastern front. The Germans had a fraction of their forces arrayed against the Allies on D-Day that they had on the Eastern Front. WWII was not won by us alone.

73 posted on 03/15/2004 5:17:08 AM PST by Burkeman1
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To: Burkeman1
We didn't have any help in the Pacific theater. And I don't think you can compare the casualty statistics because Stalin believed in the human wave and devalued human life. We tried to minimize our casualites with mixed success.
86 posted on 03/15/2004 5:29:13 AM PST by johnb838 (Boycott all Hollywood movies besides the Passion during Lent.)
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To: Burkeman1; samtheman
Originally posted by Burkeman1:
"We did not win WWII one our own at all. The bulk of the fighting was done by the Soviets. The Western front was an after thought to Germans in their war plans. The ever glorified "Battle of the Bulge" - does not even merit any comparison to any of the Major or even middling Soviet- German engagements on the Eastern front. The Germans had a fraction of their forces arrayed against the Allies on D-Day that they had on the Eastern Front."

I would agree that most Americans do not have any concept as to the battles and losses suffered by the Germans and Soviets on the Eastern Front in WWII. The US did not win WWII in the European theatre by ourselves (but did in the Pacific theatre) as many believe. Battles like Kursk overshadow the "Battle of the Bulge" in sheer size and scope. However, the myth that in 1944 most of the German Army (to include the Waffen-SS) were on the Eastern Front is due to the German practice of "re-structuring" the size of their field divisions to reflect available manpower due to combat losses. In short, the number of divisions stayed the same, but the size of each division shrank. The percentage of the total available 347 German combat divisions that were deployed to the Eastern Front in June 1944 was a still high 57%, but this represented only 40% of the German Army manpower available. This was a substantial decrease from the 72% of German Army manpower previously deployed to the Eastern Front in June of 1943. The Allied fronts in Italy and France did remove substantial forces from the Eastern front by June of 1944. Hitler's 'Enron accounting' with division strengths allowed him to continue to believe that he fielded the same Army as in mid-1942/1943.

Number of divisions available for these countries over the course of the war:

Country 1939 1940 1941 1942 1943 1944 1945 End of War
France 86 105 0 0 5 7 14 14
Germany* 78 189 235 261 327 347 319 375
Great Britain 9 34 35 38 39 37 31 31
Italy 6 73 64 89 86 2 9 10
Poland 43 2 2 2 2 5 5 5
Romania 11 28 33 31 33 32 24 24
USSR 194 200 220 250 350 400 488 491
USA** 8 24 39 76 95 94 94 94
*towards the end of the war, many of these divisions were either incomplete or poorly equipped
**including both Army and Marine divisions and accounting for the Pacific theater



Location Of German Divisions In June Of Each Year

Country 1941 1942 1943 1944
USSR 34 171 179 157
France, Belgium & Holland 38 27 42 56
Norway & Finland 13 16 16 16
Balkans 7 8 17 20
Italy 0 0 0 22
Denmark 1 1 2 3
North Africa 2 3 0 0



Percentage Of German Forces On The Eastern Front Each Year

Unit 1941 1942 1943 1944
Divisions 67% 75% 60% 57%
Troops 84% 74% 72% 40%
Aircraft 64% 65% 42% 45%



Source: WWII in Europe: WWII Statistics

dvwjr

189 posted on 03/15/2004 8:53:13 AM PST by dvwjr
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