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A Soapbox Derby for the War-Games Set
NY Times ^ | March 14, 2004 | JOHN MARKOFFand JOHN M. BRODER

Posted on 03/13/2004 10:50:58 PM PST by neverdem

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The New York Times In America


March 14, 2004

A Soapbox Derby for the War-Games Set

By JOHN MARKOFFand JOHN M. BRODER

BARSTOW, Calif., March 13 — Fifteen robot vehicles took off across the Mojave Desert starting at dawn on Saturday, dodging boulders and 15-pound tortoises in search of a place in scientific history and $1 million in Pentagon cash.

In the end there was no winner and none of the machines came close to completing the 142-mile race, over some of the most forbidding terrain on the planet.

However, the Defense Advance Research Projects Agency, the Pentagon skunk-works research agency that sponsored the event, insisted that despite wandering robots, a roll-over and other assorted crashes, technological progress was achieved that would lead to a world of robot drivers one day soon.

"You have to understand: this isn't a one-year event," said Eric Rasmussen, a Darpa program manager. "Next year everyone will be able to do the easy parts of the course and best entrants will go much farther."

At dawn the top qualifier, Carnegie Mellon University's Sandstorm, sped out of the starting gate at the SlashX ranch, south of Barstow, to the cheers of several thousand spectators, and quickly reached speeds well above 20 miles an hour.

However, Sandstorm's impressive speed soon outran its navigational skills. The red Hummer-based vehicle with a large globe-shaped vision system bounced through a fence and sheared off a post, careering forward at an alarming rate.

Within the first hour, the course began to take its toll. Sandstorm was one of the first casualties. Despite an investment of more than $3 million and with backers like Boeing and Intel, it went off course and got caught on an obstacle. The rubber on one of its front wheels caught fire, which was quickly extinguished.

Shortly afterward, David, the entry from Ensco Inc. in Falls Church, Va., struck a bush and rolled over, leaking fuel. The Acura MDX entry from Palos Verdes High School in California failed to make a turn at the start, ran directly into a barrier and was out of the race.

Less than four hours after the race began, all vehicles had either crashed or been immobilized. Sandstorm proved to be the most successful robot, covering 7.4 miles, slightly farther than the vehicle built by the SciAutonics II team. The second-place entry was the joint effort of a team of off-road racers and aerospace engineers sponsored by Elbit Systems, an Israeli manufacturer of off-road vehicles. The SciAutonics vehicle managed to go 6.7 miles.

Third place went to Team Digital Auto Drive, led by Dave and Bruce Hall, two brothers who own a stereo speaker company in Morgan Hill, Calif. Their vehicle reached the six-mile mark, but after it was stopped to allow an emergency vehicle to pass, its global positioning system became confused.

The competition, announced a little more than a year ago, gave birth to some of the strangest contraptions ever built: computer-laden mechanical monstrosities that began life as golf carts, dune buggies, hybrids, luxury sport utility vehicles, all-terrain vehicles, a motorcycle and a 16-ton military truck.

The rules required the vehicles to traverse the course without human intervention. The Pentagon is trying to meet a Congressional mandate to convert a third of its battlefield vehicles to autonomous operation by 2015 to save soldiers' lives.

The Darpa race drew several thousand spectators this morning who sat in bleachers or were strung out along the first mile of the course.

None of those who attended appeared skeptical about the future of robots or robot vehicles. Offering a bit of the flavor of a high-technology Woodstock, the race drew some fervent true believers in the technology that is beginning to appear in household applications.

Wandering among the vehicles in the garage area on the night before the race, Joanne Pransky of Boca Raton, Fla., who describes herself as the world's first robotic psychiatrist, tried to find machines in need of counseling.

The Apple Computer co-founder Stephen Wozniak drove his satellite television-equipped Hummer to the event with his friend Dan Sokol, a Silicon Valley engineer who attended the first Homebrew Computer Club meeting with Mr. Wozniak in 1975. The club led directly to the creation of the personal computer industry.

"This has the smell of something big," Mr. Sokol said, "like Homebrew three decades ago or events that led to the Internet, which every one missed."

Major military contractors and computer companies backed some of the teams, but others had only their children's inheritances and hundreds of hours of sweat equity behind them.

The race attracted an assortment of dreamers, hucksters, high school hackers, off-road racers, BattleBot warriors, crackpots and visionaries. They devoted the better part of a year to their entries and spent $10,000 to $3.5 million. For most, the prize was a small part of it.

"I don't think the money is the motivation," said Anthony J. Tether, Darpa's director. "It has sparked an interest in science and technology in this country that we haven't seen since the 1960's with the Apollo program."

Mr. Tether said that while Darpa had spent $13 million so far on the competition, the contestants had invested as much as $65 million.

They included teams from Carnegie Mellon, the California Institute of Technology, the Oshkosh Truck Corporation and Ohio State University, which had big corporate sponsors.

But Darpa has a long tradition of financing blue-sky ideas, and the agency was hoping to find help from unexpected quarters, like Team LoGHIQ of Walden, N.Y., which invested about $10,000 in its hybrid, a garage project powered by a gas generator and electric motors.

Another shoestring entry was created by Warren Williams and Bill Zimmerly of Ballwin, Mo., Team Phantasm. They had less than $20,000 sunk into their entry.

"If we just had $100,000 more we could have had a competitive piece of equipment," said Mr. Williams, a machine tool calibrator by day and a garage rat by night. Like LoGHIQ, his entry, Ladibug, never made it past the starting gate, despite having been blessed by two Buddhist monks in orange robes from the Wat Thai, a temple in Los Angeles.


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To: Ophiucus
Robots are in the infant stage, much like biplanes in WWI. But you are very correct in your concern about machine versus the human. Years ago, my brother was involved in testing small robots against infantry. They tested some 1-2 ft size cockroach type of robot against a platoon of Marines. Within minutes, all of the robots were neutralized. When finding a robot, the Marines threw a poncho over it (blinding it) and then flipped it over using the barrel from their rifles (immobilizing it). With laughter and respect, my brother (a PHD) said, "We, PHDs, always understimate the high school grads. Which is usually correct, unless they are Marines."
21 posted on 03/14/2004 12:37:29 AM PST by fini
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To: neverdem
In the end there was no winner and none of the machines came close to completing the 142-mile race, over some of the most forbidding terrain on the planet.

Back to the Mark One previous model:


22 posted on 03/14/2004 12:37:48 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: PRND21
By spraying bullets and explosives at everything within reach for days. I can think of a few places to drop them in.

Sounds like a job for a bomb. But if a robot is spraying bullets and explosives at everything, what if you want to limit the target? What if you want to retask or call off the mission and software freezes? What if the situation changes on the ground - the target is using human shields and major split second rethinking on the scene is needed.

No robot or computer today or in the next ten years can do that. That requires a human mind.

Jessica Lynch. I'd rather send a bot.

Lynch's unit got lost - what happens if a critical supply unit or weapons system gets lost while under robot control - so far, they couldn't find their way back on track. Would they select the next best target that fits the programming? Blow away a noncombatant group? Or would troops moving on the front line requiring a critical resupply through a storm be SOL because the robot couldn't handle the changing conditions of weather and chaotic battlefield movements. Humans can. No robot could have maintained the frenzy of the Cannonball Express of WWII.

23 posted on 03/14/2004 12:44:24 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Ophiucus
Strange thing - Coll is a Hebridian island.

I'm not familial with the word and usage.

I'm not related to the word either....aren't typos a b**** sometimes. :-)

Might be a cousin to that Ranger Capitan feller from Lonesome Dove.


24 posted on 03/14/2004 12:44:47 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: Ophiucus
What if the situation changes on the ground - the target is using human shields and major split second rethinking on the scene is needed.

Neca ecos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet


25 posted on 03/14/2004 12:51:04 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: neverdem
How do people relate to typos?

Um, a joke...you wrote:
I'm not familial with the word and usage

Familial - 1.Of or relating to a family. 2.Occurring or tending to occur among members of a family, usually by heredity. (American Heritage Dictionary)

So....I'm not related to the word either, as in by family.

26 posted on 03/14/2004 12:53:16 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Ophiucus
Lynch's unit got lost - what happens if a critical supply unit or weapons system gets lost while under robot control

No one dies, or worse. People and reasoning are needed in war. But not for everything.

No robot or computer today or in the next ten years can do that.

DARPA could use your ESP.

27 posted on 03/14/2004 12:56:27 AM PST by PRND21
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To: fini
Robots are in the infant stage, much like biplanes in WWI.

Agreed. that's one of the reasons the Congressional mandate deadline of 2015 is just dumb.

With laughter and respect, my brother (a PHD) said, "We, PHDs, always understimate the high school grads. Which is usually correct, unless they are Marines."

LOL..and exactly! A motivated human will "out-think" through improvisation any programming.

Maybe in 100-200 years, an artificial intelligence will have the capability but not in 11 years.

28 posted on 03/14/2004 12:59:47 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: archy
Might be a cousin to that Ranger Capitan feller from Lonesome Dove.

lol..good one.

29 posted on 03/14/2004 1:02:53 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: archy
Back to the Mark One previous model:

Ah yes...Cavalry v.1.1b

30 posted on 03/14/2004 1:03:00 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: PRND21
DARPA could use your ESP.

Right. You really think with current technology that a self-guided, self controlled mobile weapons system capable of reacting to changing tactical and environmental situations with a judgement capacity to evaluate methods to attain programmed goal sets, to choose between conflicting battlefield data, to react to new situations which make the mission goals unattainable with current programming?

Come on. We have mobile probes on Mars that are having difficulties going 20 meters with rocks in the way under constant, non-hostile conditions and they require human decision making and updates to programming the entire time.

31 posted on 03/14/2004 1:21:14 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: archy
Neca ecos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet

Machines have no god....

But illustrative of yet another problem, lack of feeling, lack of knowing right and wrong, following orders whether legal or not.

Another argument for keeping the weapons firmly in the hands of humans.

32 posted on 03/14/2004 1:21:20 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Ophiucus
Yeah, the hour is getting late. I meant familiar, not familial.
33 posted on 03/14/2004 1:28:35 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Ophiucus
Back to the Mark One previous model:
Ah yes...Cavalry v.1.1b

The innovation of stirrups was sufficiently an advancement that it might be considered Mark I, Mod I, at least. The saddle itself might be considered as equal an appliance, but the combination of both offered a utility beyond either seperate advancement.

34 posted on 03/14/2004 1:35:34 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: fini; Darksheare; Cannoneer No. 4
They tested some 1-2 ft size cockroach type of robot against a platoon of Marines. Within minutes, all of the robots were neutralized. When finding a robot, the Marines threw a poncho over it (blinding it) and then flipped it over using the barrel from their rifles (immobilizing it).

To get the Marines attention and respect, upscale the devices until those opposing them have no choice but to meet them with awe.

I'm working on something alog those lines on my own out in the carport.


35 posted on 03/14/2004 1:41:18 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: neverdem; hellinahandcart; Lil'freeper; NYC GOP Chick
Less than four hours after the race began, all vehicles had either crashed or been immobilized.

Certainly is characteristic of the soapbox derbys that I have been to!

36 posted on 03/14/2004 5:36:38 AM PST by sauropod (I intend to have Red Kerry choke on his past.)
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To: Ophiucus; SLB; Cannoneer No. 4
Welcome to "transformation."

This is a peculiar sickness of those in the "Building."

37 posted on 03/14/2004 5:39:18 AM PST by sauropod (I intend to have Red Kerry choke on his past.)
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To: Ophiucus
What dumba$$ sponsored this piece of **** legislation?

Apparently a really smart "dumba$$" did. Did you catch this line? "While Darpa had spent $13 million so far on the competition, the contestants had invested as much as $65 million." DARPA made a great investment w/ this one!

38 posted on 03/14/2004 6:46:04 AM PST by MissLuluBelle
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To: Ophiucus
Gee think of that dumba## expenditure by ARPA in 1969 about 100,000 USD, that was to allow non compatible computers to communicate over vast distances, had never been spent.

Wonder if you would still be using Free Republic?

It all has to start somewhere with a little seed money and an idea.

39 posted on 03/14/2004 7:22:26 AM PST by dts32041 ("If its called tourist season how come you can't shoot them?")
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To: sauropod; Cannoneer No. 4; archy; Valin; Matthew James
We have executed a couple of robotic vehicle experiments recently. All were funded by DARPA. Some limited success, but DARPA felt dangling a carrot out there might provide some new ideas and technology.

The latest experiments we worked did not do badly, but there are some glitches to overcome. The worst was the inability to process a shadow across the vehicle path by the visual systems. It could not tell the difference between a shadow and a ditch. Combing visual with radar might help. I am sure there will be some imerging technology from this that we will see within the next two years in the form of more experiments.
40 posted on 03/14/2004 7:25:26 AM PST by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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