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To: cornelis
There must be a lively discussion in natural philosophy or in philosophy of science how it came to be that we do science in the way we do, and why it isn't that we use completely different assumptions and goals and make science completely irrelevant.

The trouble with the Ohio situation and others like it is that those convinced of the importance of the IDist assumptions want to change science to include it. It isn't science and the whole point of it is that it isn't science. The scope of science isn't limited in the way you describe. It is sufficiently large to accommodate all sorts of fields.

The IDists are not satisfied with exploring the world with new assumptions and then disseminating the findings. Probably, because they don't have any findings. They made the assumption that an "intelligent designer" designed life as we know it, and conclude that evolution must, then, be wrong and should no longer be taught in the schools. The comparison to non-euclidean geometry is at most premature.

179 posted on 03/14/2004 9:27:39 AM PST by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
OK, a pox those we disagree with, but the trouble with the Ohio situation touches on more than the the ID issue, however problematic they are; that trouble is the possibility of content neutrality in education.

Regarding the scope of science, we could say the conclusions of scientific thinking are necessarily limited even while it is deemed sufficiently expansive to accomodate all sorts of fields. This suggests two kinds of scope: (a) a sufficiently large scope of objects that merit legitimate scientific analysis; (b) the sufficiently large scope of information discovered about those objects.

Both of these require limitation by statements in the curriculum proposal (e.g. the confine of scientific knowledge). I don't know all that the ID proponents want--some of them appear to be kamikaze--but I'm all in favor of teaching the history of science, in science classes, both at the primary and at the secondary level.

194 posted on 03/14/2004 11:43:00 AM PST by cornelis
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