Feds confiscate rancher's cattle

WND ^ | March 11, 2004 | Henry Lamb

[farmfriend]

too many goofy lefties

I think that is why my dad retired from the USFS. He now drives the telecare bus. He loves it.

[philetus]

If, as they say, the rancher was notified several times his lease was almost up and he needed to renew, I'm sure he would have done so, if they allowed him to.

They are claiming he didn't, but they are not saying they were willing to renew his lease.I'll bet he tried and they refused.

[philetus]

Once they take the ranch, if a illegal asked for it, the gov would probably give it to him.

[philetus]

The UN wants it.

[hosepipe]

Hell the Feds OWN most of Alaska. We can't built roads to connect the towns in most places.. BTW Alaska is as big as the western United States.. a few cattle are not as important the land the feds OWN in the lower 48 too.. America is literally OWNED by the fed. and if that don't get you're attention THEY ARE ACQUIREING MORE TOO, year by year..

Very few threads on THIS subject.. talk about socialism, taxes, true, but they are actually consolidating America PHYSICALLY.. bit by bit, and chunk by chunk.. You can really see it here in Alaska... Communism <<- capitalism style, by hostile takeover..

[Delphinium]

The crux of his argument is that he had "ownership" (of water rights)prior to the issuance of permits.

Didn't they also retain grazing, and other rights?

[sauropod]

No question about it. Wildlands project too.

[countrydummy]

thanks for the ping. You know how I feel about this crap and that is putting it nicely.

[Ditter]

Personaly I think the Laneys *own* ALL the land they have been using because they settled it originaly & have been there using it ever since. I know that is not how it works. If they owned all of it they would have been paying property taxes instead of lease payments. They might have a leg to stand on if they had been paying taxes.

We have land that we bought & paid for, pay taxes on & now the fed gov has made it useless by calling it wetlands. You can't develop or even clear wetlands even if it is just a mudhole in the woods that doesn't drain well.

[archy]

According to Patrol Capt. Mike Reamer, 14 law-enforcement officers have been deployed to the Diamond Bar Ranch, armed with semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and sidearms.

Sounds to me like they're waging war on an American citizen.

U.S. Constitution, Article III, Section 3:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them...

[endthematrix]

You are correct. The Wildlands Project and UN Convention on Biological Diversity Plans to Restore Biodiversity in the US Nationally and as in this case, the New Mexico Highlands.

[ohmage]

New Mexico Highlands

Here, herds of pronghorn outpace the wind; cranes and ducks thunder like a living storm; on pine and fir-clad mountains, bighorn sheep, elk, and black bears roam; on dry desert floors abundant populations of reptiles make a living among the cacti while fish and flycatchers travel cottonwood-lined river corridors. This ruggedly beautiful country is where the Rocky Mountains, Great Plains, Chihuahuan Desert, and Great Basin meet, forming a continental crossroads for wildlife. Recently completed, the New Mexico Highlands Wildlands Network Design sets out a practical vision for keeping the region wild.

Sigh. Doesn't it just make you wish you were a sheep?

[JamesA]

Are we secure yet?
You said it straight....Some tail wagging do gooder complaind his property (our Fed. forrest/lands) were being crap'd upon by someones cattle. Then some Judge steps in and puts in this .50cents worth. Now another farm/ramch that has been in exhistance for generations is all but gone. Thank you Uncle sam and your Judges.

[NMC EXP]

Thanks for the heads up sauropod.

I had hoped that the current administration would have stepped on the agencies which are doing stuff like this but no such luck.

A lot of people reject the slippery slope argument. These western property rights issues support the argument.

Many of these ranchers have water and grazing rights on the land going way back even to Spanish land grants. After the land became federal property the feds offered to make improvements to the land with "free" federal money....build ponds, kill sagebrush, build fences and etc.

All the rancher had to do was pay a few bucks for a federal permit in return.

And then, gotcha.

After a generation or two buying a permit for the use of land you have a prior claim on is contingent upon the feds selling you a permit.

And so it goes.

Agenda 21 and the Rewilding of America proceed on schedule.

Regards

J.R.

[editor-surveyor]

"However, I don't understand why the rancher thinks he has rights to anything beyond his own 100 acres. Did he have some kind of special use permit?"

Go here to find out why he doesn't need any permit

[Ranchwife]

I just found this thread, and feel compelled to throw in my two cents worth.
The Dale that Henry Lamb mentions in the article is actually my husband and Kit Laney's brother, and the Albert is our 13 (not 14) year old son.
Albert did tell me that the "officer" told him that they are going to "get him too", and he doesn't lie. I'm perfectly confident that is exactly what the "officer" said.
Kit and Sherry never had any kids, the closest they could come was providing the parents with "grand puppies" as we all laughingly teased them about.
Kit and Sherry are both good people, both come from a long line of ranching families (they are both fourth generation ranchers, I'm a fifth generation rancher myself, but we don't quibble over the small details). They really do believe in what they're fighting for, as a lot of folks here do. The support they have received is awesome!
They did take their stock (about 1000 head of cattle) off the Diamond Bar in 1996, I believe, sold a lot of them off, leased a place down by Gila, NM, for 4 years, and then 2 different places up by Logan, NM for about 3 years, and ran the 300 or so head that was left. During this time, they applied for a grazing permit from the FS three times, and were turned down three times. Wilderness District Ranger Annette Chavez gave only the reason that they weren't considering stocking the Diamond Bar with cattle at that time. She also pointed out that the range was unsuitable for cattle. Kit and Sherry requested the Range Management Task Force from NMSU to come look over the ranch, and give their educated openion. They stated that the range was in excellent condition, and would easily support 1200 head.
I might be skeptical of why the FS wouldn't issue a new permit, if they hadn't done about the same thing to my dad in 1999....after that incident, I don't put anything past the dirty SOBs. They are a crooked bunch, and that's the best of them, in our observations.

[Cultural Jihad]

Much ado about an illegal.