[Howlin]

And he's so damn verbose people will fall asleep even IF they can get his point!

[floriduh voter]

KERRY: These guys, er, these guys are the most crooked, you know, lying group of people I've ever seen."

Listen again... Kerry said "freaking mothers", not "I've ever seen."

I believe the "I've ever seen" was fabricated by the media.

[speekinout]

And he's so damn verbose people will fall asleep even IF they can get his point!

For sure! I can just see the debate:
Moderator: Do you think the war on terror is the most important issue today?
Bush: Yes.
Kerry: blah, blah, blah. And 20 minutes later, we still won't know what he thinks.

I sure don't know how any moderator will be able to give them equal time. For every question they ask Kerry, they'd have to ask W so many questions they'd be reduced to asking him if he remembers the name of the pony he had when he was 6.