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The coming ice age [full-blown glaciation in less than 20 years]
Backwoods Home ^ | 3-8-04 | John Silveira

Posted on 03/08/2004 4:57:00 PM PST by SJackson

As little as 30 years ago the talk wasn’t about global warming, it was about an imminent ice age. Is an ice age likely? Even possible? Consider this: There have been more than 20 glacial advances, or ice ages, in just the last two million years. And we know from geological evidence that each glaciation lasted anywhere from 20,000 to 100,000 years—no one knows why the disparity—separated by warm periods that last some 10,000 to 15,000 years. What we can be reasonably sure of is that we’re now in one of the warm periods, and this one is already 13,000 years old. Some scientists think it’s at an end and a new ice age is about to begin.

No one really knows what causes ice ages. Theories abound. They include perturbations in the earth’s orbit, changes in ocean currents, the earth periodically passing through galactic dust that obscures the sun, variations in the sun’s energy output, changes in continental positions, uplift of continental blocks, reduction of CO2 in the atmosphere, etc. Evidence or experiment may eventually resolve which of the theories wins out, or it may turn out that a combination of theories are true. It may even be that none of the current theories proves satisfactory and some entirely new theory ultimately explains their cause.

But what is pretty certain is how they take place. It was once common wisdom to believe that the advent of an ice age took place over centuries or even millennia, and that they ended the same way. It was thought that the changes were so slow that, if people were around to witness them, each generation would hardly notice any change. If the next glaciation were to come on slowly, and we recognized it as the beginning of an ice age, maybe there would be time for civilization to adjust: to begin food storage, to develop crop hybrids that will endure shorter growing seasons, to move populations, factories, and technology—the core of our civilization—into southern climates, etc.

But we now have evidence that ice ages come on with an abruptness that will catch us by total surprise. Physical evidence indicates that when the last ice age started, the British Isles went from a temperate climate to being completely covered with glaciers hundreds of feet thick in just 20 years.

Do scientists think it’ll happen that way again? Yes. And if the next ice age starts here’s how it may occur: At first we wouldn’t even realize it, so the first few years we’d feel we were just having one or two bad winters. But after a few years rivers will freeze all-year-round, snow from the previous years won’t completely melt, glaciers will begin to form, and some of what is currently now the world’s most fertile ground will become unfarmable.

Countries bordering on both sides of the Atlantic will change radically as a result of changes in the Gulf Stream, and Europe, which today is almost 20 degrees warmer than other parts of the world at the same latitude, will become as cold and dry as Siberia. The Sahara may again become forested while the Amazon basin becomes a desert. Florida may also become a desert, as it was in a previous ice age.

At the same time, if the climate changes enough to disturb the monsoon season that fuels agriculture from Africa to China, where over half the world’s six billion people now live, hundreds of millions will starve when the climate abruptly changes. There’s no way to prepare them for that.

Canadian and Russian wheat will fail completely. American agriculture, on which much of the world depends, will be scaled back by shorter growing seasons. Not only will we not have enough food for export, we won’t be able to grow enough to sustain even our own current population. And jobs? Factories will close, service businesses will disappear, stocked supermarkets will become a thing of the past. Get ready for your standard of living to drop like a rock while you and your kin go hungry.

How far will the ice fields extend? In North America they will most likely reach as far south as present day Chicago. But they may go further. And this isn’t going to be some picture postcard winter landscape. At the height of the last ice age, the ice fields covering much of North America were up to two miles thick. So, expect the great northern cities, such as New York, Boston, Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, etc., to be swept away before advancing glaciers. In the meantime, sea levels will drop and more of the continental shelves will be exposed. You’ll be able to walk from Siberia to Alaska, from California to the Channel Islands, from Britain to France, from Australia to New Guinea.

But when is this really all likely to happen? Because no one knows what causes ice ages, there’s no way to forecast when the next one will start, how bad it will be, or what effect the (allegedly man-made) global warming taking place today will have on it. We can’t tell whether it will be less severe than the last one, when the ice sheets only extended as far south as Wisconsin, or as bad as some of the glaciations of half a billion years ago when ice sheets formed all the way to the equator. Although this latter scenario is unlikely, no one can be sure. But if it does, kiss the human race good-bye.

What seems fairly certain is that we will go from the world as it is today to full-blown glaciation in less than 20 years, maybe in as little as four or five. And there is no way the United States can adjust to and survive a climate change this abrupt.

Can we stop it? We can’t even stop a single snow storm. Imagine trying to stop an ice age that’s going to go on for tens of thousands of years.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: amazon; climatechange; desertification; refoliation; sahara
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To: Travis McGee
You must keep the 'mothership' --- I think you'll need it, and soon. The slip rental expense must be a 'mother' itself nowadays.
101 posted on 03/08/2004 9:48:25 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: onyx
The problem is my family's lack of interest in sailing. Sigh.
102 posted on 03/08/2004 9:49:43 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
That's awful. Sailing is so much fun.
103 posted on 03/08/2004 9:51:55 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: rock58seg
Sorry I was one post off. I was thinking of the mammoth crap, and reading your post. Somehow I merged the two in my mind.
104 posted on 03/08/2004 9:52:26 PM PST by rock58seg (Broken Glass Conservative, I'll even vote for a moderate if he's the most conservative candidate.)
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To: Focault's Pendulum
My feet are cold....I hope I don't contribute to the problem

Just in case, you'd better go outside and empty a few aerosol cans. That oughta balance things out.

105 posted on 03/08/2004 9:57:03 PM PST by Mygirlsmom ("Those people who are not governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." Wm Penn)
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To: SJackson
Good grief .. I just spent a fortune on bathing suits and umbrellas! I thought we were having GLOBAL WARMING instead.
106 posted on 03/08/2004 10:00:45 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: American_Centurion
yep! The South will definitely rise again!

vaudine
107 posted on 03/08/2004 10:09:18 PM PST by vaudine
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To: SJackson
You know,

It's ironic that I have been saying that scientists have thier heads up thier arses for years. I still have my High School text book, Copyright 1973, written by a bunch of college educated science teachers. It made no bones about telling me that the earth was going to freeze as a result of man's pollution.

I quote;

In regards to Oil polution on the Sea:

"A film of oil on the sea surface prevents evaporation of water and also interferes with (...) the transfer of heat to the air."

and regarding "particulate" polution:

" There is increasing evidence that various kinds of particulates released into the air by man's activities are responsible for the recent decrease in temperatures"

Can anyone say, these arseholes haven't got a clue, other than to blame mankind for all the ills of the world!

I've read it all regarding global warming, global cooling and cow farts. I've come to one conclusion. Scientists should be economists as moonlighters. Niether has the first damned hint of what they talk about, they are professional guessers. Too bad they're still writing textbooks, pushing thier anti-human rhetoric, for my own child to read.


Did you know the Earth had an "Albedo", Is that like a Libido, without the need for latex?
108 posted on 03/08/2004 10:37:34 PM PST by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: SJackson
At last! We know how the world will end!
109 posted on 03/08/2004 10:45:45 PM PST by DennisR
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To: onyx
It's fun once you're out, but getting a big boat ready, and then "putting it away" is a lot of work. It's really too big for a day sailor, and my family isn't interested in coastal cruising to the channel islands or such.
110 posted on 03/08/2004 10:52:30 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: SJackson
This is in Poway, CA. I used to live in this burg. Virtually all the land in this area has these huge rocks like you see here. There are thousands of them, some as big as houses. They didn't grow there, they were pushed... by a glacier. When the glacier melted they were left behind.

This is less than 30 miles from the Mexican border.


111 posted on 03/08/2004 10:57:42 PM PST by Nick Danger (I have patented the method of walking whereby you place one foot in front of the other)
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To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!!
112 posted on 03/09/2004 3:07:31 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: SJackson
That means that when it starts getting cold, we in the North need to take over the Middle East, Equatorial Africa, Malaysia, Indonesia, the warmer sections of Central and South America.
113 posted on 03/09/2004 7:07:33 AM PST by Montfort
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To: duk
Just down the road the official snow fall for the year is 210". Does that count for an ice age?

Keweenaw County? My mother has a photo of dad next to that sign that was taken about 50 years ago.

114 posted on 03/09/2004 1:55:16 PM PST by magslinger (Carpe Ductum)
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To: dirtboy
We got 58 inches in 24 hrs in 1986.
115 posted on 03/09/2004 2:59:49 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Nick Danger
This looks like Texas Canyon, located in Cochise County, AZ. It is also less than 30 miles from the Mexican border.
116 posted on 03/09/2004 3:13:41 PM PST by wjcsux (3rd Party Voters; stupid is as stupid does.)
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To: SJackson
Global Warming = Good.
117 posted on 03/09/2004 3:21:08 PM PST by Little Ray (John eFfing Kerry: Just a Gigolo!)
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To: wjcsux
This looks like Texas Canyon, located in Cochise County, AZ.

I've seen Devil's Canyon from I-10 east of Tucson, but I don't remember as many trees as in that picture.

Actually, I only remember the rocks, HUGE rocks, And lots of 'em. And the car rental counter guy telling me to watch out for the winds when I crossed the canyon.

118 posted on 03/09/2004 4:34:01 PM PST by woofer
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To: tjg
How will cheap space travel inevitably follow nanotechnology?

Lots of ways. All the components of rockets will be about 95% lighter because they are made of diamonoid materials that are self healing and grow from seeds. We will be able to grow the cables necessary for "beanstalk" type surface to geostationary orbit elevators. Energy will be on the order of .01 cent per kilowatt, because we will be able to pave the roads with solar collectors and use molecular distortion batteries or even plain old hydrogen to store the energy. Use solar powered lasers to provide the energy to focus on reflective rocket nozzles to push rockets into orbit with minimal reactive mass. Use linear electric accelerators to throw fuel , food and water, and construction materials into orbit, leaving the relatively slow and expensive systems to transport people.

These are just a few ideas off the top of my head. I am sure that when the time comes, more sophisticated methods will surface, but all of the above become cheap with full blown nanotechnology.

119 posted on 03/09/2004 5:06:13 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Thanks for your reply. I remember now reading about the tethered "space ladder" and some of the other things you mentioned.

Hope we live long enough to see it.
120 posted on 03/10/2004 9:27:28 AM PST by tjg
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