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Your question proves that you aren't paying attention, so why anyone would bother answering ....some of us are hopeful that others will wake up.

We have done astounding things in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

If you cared, you'd listen to the troops who are there, volunteering to risk their lives for freedom, and a better future for their families, or listen to the Iraqi people - not the Ba'athists and enemies of America our free press use as sources, but the many bloggers, and the new Iraqi free press...

If you really care, spend a few hours here. Be warned, if you really care, and learn, it will be difficult repeating the popular AP anti-war pap without at least a twinge of a guilty conscience in the future...and you may even lose a few elite, popular friends.

Your question proves that you aren't paying attention, so why anyone would bother answering ....some of us are hopeful that others will wake up.

I've been paying most precise attention to what is going on in both places. I have very close friends there in the military who paint a different picture.

We have done astounding things in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

Define astounding. We are indeed doing some admirable things there. I see nothing at all that would justify, historically, if one is cognizant of the past 100 years of Iraqi history, describing what is happening there as 'astounding'. Please support your contention.

Don't try to patronize me, and please don't bore me.

I have no 'elite friends' to lose, thanks.

It may come as a surprise to you, but those who think freely, and consider all sides and sources of information, might just come to different conclusions than you already, apparently, have.