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1 posted on 03/01/2004 2:08:46 PM PST by vannrox
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AWESOME!!!
68 posted on 03/01/2004 6:33:41 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com......................Send a Freeper to Congress!)
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There were vast oceans on Mars. The full story will not be known for decades.

That is my intuition, not my reason.

86 posted on 03/01/2004 9:23:01 PM PST by Reactionary
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Even if it doesn't support life or never did (wouldn't surprise me if it did support life at some point), it's even more important in regards to human (Americans) landing and living there.
93 posted on 03/02/2004 8:21:51 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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Interesting. A drop of water on Mars indicates life, yet a fetus in the womb does not.
96 posted on 03/02/2004 8:26:06 AM PST by YourAdHere (I'm single and I've got money)
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Face it, the money stops if water can't be found; in this article and many others references are made to a brine which reduces the melting point of ice that might account for liquid water yet none of the articles tells us what sort of brine.

Here is an excerpt from a Google search pulled from NYT that deals with common de-icers available here on earth:

"Not all de-icers are created equal," said Edward Chouinard, president of Standard Tar Products, a company based in Milwaukee that makes Snomelt Instant Ice Melter. "But virtually all de-icers work on the same basic principle: They lower the freezing point of the water produced by the ice they melt."

Mr. Chouinard, whose company manufactures de-icing products used by homeowners, commercial property managers and state and local highway departments, explained that while plain water freezes at 32 degrees Fahrenheit, the freezing point of water containing a de-icing chemical is lower than that — sometimes much lower.

"The nice thing about Snomelt is that it's exothermic," Mr. Chouinard said. "That means that when you mix it with water, it creates heat."

Some de-icers — for example, sodium chloride, better known as halite or rock salt — are endothermic, meaning that they need to absorb heat from the atmosphere, sunlight or friction from tires to melt ice or snow. As a result, while rock salt is the least expensive de-icing agent available — selling for anywhere from $2.50 to $4 for a 50-pound bag — it is only effective at temperatures above 15 or 20 degrees Fahrenheit.

Products like Snomelt, on the other hand, which is 90 to 95 percent calcium chloride and sells for about $15 for a 50-pound bag, can melt ice or snow at temperatures as low as minus 59 degrees Fahrenheit, depending on the concentration of the chemical in the solution produced by the melting ice — a solution that de-icing experts call "brine."

In fact, it is the brine produced by a de-icing product — rather than the melting action of the product itself — that does the work the homeowner is hoping to avoid.

Rick May, marketing manager for Dow Chemical in Midland, Mich., said that most de-icing products work by penetrating the ice, dissolving into brine and then seeping into the pores of the concrete under the ice. Once there, the brine breaks the bond between the ice and the sidewalk, making it easier to remove the ice.

Mr. May added that while calcium chloride can indeed melt ice at minus 59 degrees Farenheit, that is the "laboratory limit" of the chemical's effectiveness. "In the real world, its practical effective temperature is more like minus 28 degrees Fahrenheit," he said, adding that the effective temperature of the chemical decreases because its concentration in the brine becomes lower as more and more ice melts.

When the rover makes a cup of tea from Martian water, I'll be a believer.

104 posted on 03/02/2004 11:24:44 AM PST by Old Professer
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