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To: Right Wing Professor
A classroom is not where we have free and open scientific enquiry. Students are not free to proclaim that 2+2=5.

Hmmm...so you believe that if kids find out that some scientists believe this...

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...is too complex to arise from random processes, that's the same as allowing them to "to proclaim that 2+2=5". Uh-huh. Never mind that proclaiming that 2+2=5 is not "free and open enquiry," so you point is silly to begin with.

The classroom is also not a place where Constitutional law is decided, so why don't we prevent civics teachers from telling their students that people have different views of the 2nd Amendment? Why allow the classroom to reflect reality?

Mr. Colson should stick to preaching (or burgling).

Ah yes, meanspiritedness and ignorance, nice package. Colson's crimes occurred three decades ago, and he has spent those three decades more than balancing them out, that's the meanspiritedness part. The ignorance part is this: Colson was not a Watergate burglar; he went to jail for messing with an FBI file. But hey, who needs facts when you're defending evolution, right?

425 posted on 03/02/2004 11:45:34 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt-- Pray for Terry Schiavo!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
The classroom is also not a place where Constitutional law is decided, so why don't we prevent civics teachers from telling their students that people have different views of the 2nd Amendment?

An excellent, if unintentional, analogy. Promulgating the notion that the Second Amendment was not written to guarantee an individual right is just as intellectually dishonest as promulgating creationism (though, in both cases, it is reasonable to explain that some people believe the codswallop in question).

432 posted on 03/02/2004 11:58:06 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Mr. Silverback
mmm...so you believe that if kids find out that some scientists believe this... ..is too complex to arise from random processes, that's the same as allowing them to "to proclaim that 2+2=5".

'Some scientists' being one guy at Lehigh who hasn't published a real paper since 1997, a mathematician at Baylor who's never published a real scientific paper anywhere, and a few other miscellaneous oddballs? If I wanted to insist that unorthodox theories be considered in high-school classes, I could come up with far better-supported unorthodox theories than ID.

Reality is that there is no signficant scientific opposition to the theory of evolution.

Mr. Colson should stick to preaching (or burgling).

Ah yes, meanspiritedness and ignorance, nice package. Colson's crimes occurred three decades ago, and he has spent those three decades more than balancing them out, that's the meanspiritedness part.

You'll pardon me if I don't agree that pushing the worldview of a certain few narrow sects of Christianity onto science classes to be 'balancing out' Watergate. The rest of the time, he's an evangelical Christian who tries to convert prisoners to his particular religion. So?

The ignorance part is this: Colson was not a Watergate burglar; he went to jail for messing with an FBI file. But hey, who needs facts when you're defending evolution, right?

It was Colson who organized the White House 'plumbers' unit that committed, among other crimes, the Watergate break-in. Colson also hired Teamsters to beat up demonstrators; he wanted to bomb the Brookings Institution; he went to jail for trying to frame Daniel Ellsberg. Ellsberg belonged in jail, and Colson through his actions effectively ensured Ellsberg never paid for his crimes.

But, you're right, I was inaccurate. I should have said he should stick to organizing burglaries, thuggery and terrorism.

492 posted on 03/02/2004 2:51:47 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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