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To: FBD
Simply excellent, FBD.
Enjoyed your report & subsequent debate.
You've a real, genuine "passion" all your own I never knew of but have come to respect.

Plus, I see you (inevitably) tangled with FR's "tpaine".

Love 'em or hate 'em, agree or disagree, there's no one on the entire www who can come anywhere close to the man's insights on the true meaning(s) behind our constitution's amendments &/or BOR.

Can easily see that too when some of the board's wannabes can only refute his ironclad points by pathetically ignoring him and insodoing show themselves to be the intellectual inferiors they actually are.
Fact.

And as you shall learn later, after the handfull of wannabes become frustrated they'll attack the man *personally* & when that happens waych out.
He's repeatedly proved he can defend himself quite nicely against their smears making mincemeat of 'em and sending them sprinting tail between legs for the tall grass with bloodied noses.

...'tis a real pleasure to witness. :o)

73 posted on 03/01/2004 7:30:03 AM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: Landru; tpaine
"I see you (inevitably) tangled with FR's "tpaine".

Love 'em or hate 'em, agree or disagree, there's no one on the entire www who can come anywhere close to the man's insights on the true meaning(s) behind our constitution's amendments &/or BOR.

Can easily see that too when some of the board's wannabes can only refute his ironclad points by pathetically ignoring him and insodoing show themselves to be the intellectual inferiors they actually are.
Fact.

And as you shall learn later, after the handfull of wannabes become frustrated they'll attack the man *personally* & when that happens waych out.
He's repeatedly proved he can defend himself quite nicely against their smears making mincemeat of 'em and sending them sprinting tail between legs for the tall grass with bloodied noses.

...'tis a real pleasure to witness. :o)


Well, he definitly has challenged me! And I appeciate that. :)

tpaine, when I see that my good friend Landru has a lot of respect for you. Anybody that has Landru's respect is definitly a person of admirable character, and you deserve my respect also.


tpaine, you and I are locked in a debate over the differance between the establishment of a religion, and the *mere* expression of religion.

I understand your points about the coercion of a state established religion, ( Although I gave you some examples of our Founding Fathers expressing religion, perhaps I have relied too much on Alan Keyes.)
However, if we honestly examine the situation in American society today, look at where the coercion lies:

When state employees, school children, etc. are given time off for the Christmas holiday, it is called the "Winter holiday", as the word "Christmas" is religious "expression".

I fact, there have been many instances lately, where public employees are denied the opportunity for religious "expression."

In Eugene, Oregon, firefighters were ordered to remove a Christmas tree from their fire station, because it was a religious "expression."

Christmas programs have been canceled in public schools, because even voluntary attendance shows approval of religious "expression."

My daughter's school can no longer have a bacclaureate ceremony, because of it's a religious "expression".

The Pledge of Allegiance is called declared unconstitutional, because of it's religious "expression."

Boy Scouts are denied the use of schools, and other public buildings to hold weekly meetings, because their acknowlegement of God is a religious "expression".

A granite Ten Commandments monument (donated, and paid for ENTIRELY by VOLUNTARY contributions) is not allowed to be displayed in a public courthouse, because it constitutes religious "expression."

And so it goes.
Anyone who has followed this subject, could cite hundreds of examples of denied religious "expression."

Given the state of our state today, how can you honestly tell me that the coercion is in the establishment of a religion? Or is it really in the prohibition of "the free excercise ("expression") thereof"?

Regards.

76 posted on 03/01/2004 9:11:45 AM PST by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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