Giuliani: Bush's dream ticket

Scotland On Sunday ^ | 29 Feb 2004 | BEN MCCONVILLE IN NEW YORK

[AmericaUnited]

A RHINO... BIg Time!

[MAKOTHEDOG]

Good point!

I just want to see Bush reelected. If it helps Bush's chances having someone else on the ticket then so be it. Maybe JC Watts would be better than Guiliani. If by naming a new Veep increases Bushes chances in November then it is a good thing. The election is too close to take chances on. Bush can name Cheney to a cabinet post or something. It seems like it is a win win . I still will vote for Bush either way though. It is scary to think that people would choose not to vote for W over this trivial matter.

I can't imagine a President Kerry. It will be the worst thing for the Country.

[NittanyLion]

Everything you say and intimate is correct in a "perfect" world. There is just one problem, elections are won on the baisis of Dick Morris type politics and have been for some years. Right and wrong, principled,unprincipled--all that counts "personally" but when election time comes if we are the only ones playing by the rules we can loose. Ever heard of triangulation--if you think GW doesn't know all about it you are wrong. It's a very slick world we live in today, that's why most pricncipled conservatives simply won't run.

Winning and principles are simply not mutually exclusive, contrary to popular opinion. I don't blame you for believing that to be the case; the media and many other political types work awfully hard to convince folks that sticking to their principles is a surefire way to lose.

Fact is, the electorate is generally sophisticated enough to differentiate between pandering and heartfelt beliefs. Not always, but sticking to your principles will win an election as often as pandering to a cause not yours.

[tjwmason]

We need to save Rudy for the NY Senate in 2006! He's the only one who can save us from Hitlary!

At last some sense in this discusion. Think ahead chaps, think who will be Democrat nominee in 2008, think President Clinton MarkII.

Your best chance of avoiding H.R.C. in the Oval Office is to kick her out of the Senate in 2006, then she becomes damaged goods. Giuliani is well known here in England due to 11th September (he has an honourary knighthood), and along with Secretary Powell is one of the two Republicans who are generally liked by the English; however, I have to disagree. Do you want a V.P. who goes to 'Pride' wearing drag? However, if he is removing the Junior Senator for New York, surely anything is an improvement.

My final point is that if Cheney is to be removed from the nomination then he has to do it. Even if he a being pushed behind the scenes, he has to stand up and claim health issues; anything else would be an own goal.

[giotto]

Guiliani is WAY too NY for the rest of the country.

And Bush is way too Texas for East Coast elites. Giuliani would not only add star power to the ticket, but he would be a capable leader in the War on Terrorism, should he have to step up as Commander in Chief.

[rodguy911]

Once again you are right, I've become cynical over the years. I see people reject the good for the expedient over and over or follow the lemmings promoted by the mainstream press--it's disconcerting. Principles are alwys best but how do you disprove a lie told over and over.

[Clara Lou]

I don't think Condoleeza Rice wants the position. I could be wrong, but that's how it appears to me.

[COEXERJ145]

Funny, some of the people who whine about Bush not being Conservative enough are the same ones who want Cheney replaced as VP with Giuliani, someone who is hard left on many issues.

Giuliani would be fine as a Senator from New York but not as President or VP. Besides, mayors aren't known for winning Presidential elections. The only one to ever win the Presidency was Grover Cleveland.

[Moonman62]

He said losing Cheney and possibly defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld, could help protect Bush from criticism over Iraq. "They clearly were the hawks who helped Bush decide to go after Saddam Hussein," Neuharth said.

Ideally Rumsfeld would be at the top of the ticket with GWB as VP.

[rogue yam]

I prefer Cheney.

Me too. But what's more important, Pres. Bush prefers Cheney. Calls him "Big Time." Case closed.

[hoot2]

"...dream team..."

;

[hoot2]

this guy for "whitehouse PRESS secretary"
then people would actually look forward to "press conferences..."

[RichardW]

Can we talk? Cheney DOES have poor health. His heart function is just barely adequate with an EF of 40% (65% is normal). What does he bring to the table? Wyoming's 3 electoral votes? Bush has those anyway.

Guiliani does two things. He makes the Republican ticket look more moderate to "moderates." That's a good thing. He may very well make the difference between winning and losing. That's a good thing. And finally, but no less important, Guiliani is in line for 2008, when Hillary is expected to run.

People don't vote for the VP, but right now Cheney is a net minus in a number of respects. I can't see anyone rejecting Bush in the south because Rudy is on the ticket.

Bush 41 might have done something similar in 1992 and spared us all the eight years of Clinton. His son learned a valuable lesson here, I think.

[CyberAnt]

I agree .. but as A SENATORIAL CANDIDATE IN 2006 - that would be great! Because .. if Hillary loses in 2006, she will have a very difficult time trying to run for president in 2008.

I would love to see this in 2006!! NY'ers love Rudy!!

[Indie]

Rice is a super intelligent class act. She would definitely help the Republican ticket IMMENSELY. The first Pres to have a black running mate a Republican...as it should be. She is strong, tough and no pushover. And it would silence the diatribe from Jesse and make him more of a hypocrite than he already is if he criticized Bush for it.

[AM2000]

And Bush is way too Texas for East Coast elites

And Guiliani is way too Republican for the East Coast elites. No GOP ticket in 2004 is going to get the East Coast elites, so why worry about them at all? A Bush-Guiliani ticket could get you a lot of white votes (he's a racially polarizing figure. 9/11 doesn't change that) in NY and NJ and perhaps tilt the EC balance in Bush's favor. Of course, having Rudy on the ticket also means perhaps losing some states in the South. Who knows?

[AM2000]

I can't see anyone rejecting Bush in the south because Rudy is on the ticket.

I'm in NJ so I can't speak for the south, but going by what lots of southerners on FR seem to be saying it sure sounds like Rudy on the ticket would cause them to sit it out or vote Constitution Party. That impression is based on what I've read here on FR; how accurate do you think it is when applied to the south as a whole?

[Plutarch]

He may very well make the difference between winning and losing.

I agree that Cheney is a drag on the ticket. But what state would Giulani help win? Bush would still lose NY and NJ.

[AM2000]

I'm not sure about that. Rudy is very popular among whites in NY & NJ. He'd even get some of the Latin & Asian vote. He could tilt one (or both) of these states into the Bush column, esp. if Nader helps.

[StriperSniper]

When time, Cheney will debunker from the secure location and kick @$$, and that is what they are afraid of. ;-)