[Enterprise]

"I don't know, she is pretty slovenly looking.. I have a hard time taking advice or orders from slobs or those who disrespect themselves sooo much. How can a person with such obvious lack of self control with something as valuable as their life be taken seriously.... I certainly wouldn't want them organizing anything in my life."

Well Porterville, (East of Hwy 99), I don't disagree about taking advice etc. However, my point is this:

You are in a debate and you're being judged by your responses to your opponent. Your opponent is pretty slovenly looking. He/She states: "President Bush has proved that he is incapable of leading the Nation in peacetime, much less in a time of war." You respond with: "You're pretty slovenly."

Since you didn't offer any argument against your opponent's assertion, you just lost the debate.

[Porterville]

Sure, in a modern debate with a PC audience. How about a debate with a slob in a business meeting, or a police station, or a political meeting, or in the military? The slob loses every time because of their lack of reverence for their peers and superiors.