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To: jennyp
Again the question is: What do we teach HS students in the first or second biology class they encounter in their lives? Do we throw at them every agenda-driven pseudoscientific theory that anyone has ever come up with in the name of "diversity" or "open-mindedness" or "thinking outside the box"? Or do we first make sure they have a solid grounding in what theories actual current working scientists know and use in their real-life jobs today, and why?

This is nothing more than a red herring. The thread is about a disclaimer that states the theory of evolution is a theory not fact. Many evo-reationaries assume the theory of evolution is fact and it explains the origin of life in factual terms - both statement are false - that is the only topic of this thread. Some of you are defending your beloved theory with the same fervor of a jihadist

Personally I think it would be fine to have an upper-class or graduate level college course that explores fringe biology theories like ID. At that point the students would truly understand what it is that the insurgent theory is trying to overthrow. But we'd really do the students a disservice to just throw competing theories at them when they don't understand why the current mainstream theories are accepted by so many scientists already

Well I pretty much agree with most of what you are saying - that makes it even stranger that you felt it necessary to call me a "creationist" and to trot out your little anti-creationists diatribe (earlier). I found this reactionary and fairly paranoid response by die-hard evolutionists strange - I guess you guys see "god-loving creationists" hiding under your bed just waiting to devourer your beloved theory. An armature psychiatrist might think you guys glean your comfort and security from your beloved theory and any possible or merely perceived assault on your beloved theory must be addressed with the fervor of the zealot.

You guys need to apply a bit of perspective. Let me illustrate:

Take a football field. Now take about 100 dinner napkins and strew them about the football fields. Now – it would be absurd for me to claim there are no napkins on the football fields but it would be equally absurd to claim the entire field is covered by napkins. The football field is the complete theory of evolution and the napkins are the current scientific evidence.

At that point the students would truly understand what it is that the insurgent theory is trying to overthrow.

Overthrowing and insurgency is in the minds of people – theories don’t rebel nor do they recognize man-made hierarchy therefore they are incapable of overthrowing.

274 posted on 02/29/2004 9:37:36 AM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: PatrickHenry; VadeRetro
The real evidence for design:

On the 13th of December 1973, French journalist Rael was contacted by a visitor from another planet, and asked to establish an Embassy to welcome these people back to Earth.

The extra-terrestrial was about four feet in height, had long dark hair, almond shaped eyes, olive skin and exuded harmony and humour. He told Rael that:

"we were the ones who made all life on earth"
"you mistook us for gods"
"we were at the origin of your main religions"
"Now that you are mature enough to understand this,
we would like to enter official contact through an embassy"

Now who can dispute that? I can't wait until they publish their Raelian Holy Book so they will be on an equal footing with Judaeism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Last-Thursdayism, and Giant-Chicken-from-Pasedena-Named-Harry-ism.

275 posted on 02/29/2004 9:57:07 AM PST by balrog666 (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.)
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