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To: samtheman
Before you start dumping on the Christians, and throw around the anti-Semitic label, you must stop and reflect on the status of Jews, Moslems, and Christians on this planet.

First, I must recognize the fact that Jews were killed by the Nazis simply because of their religion. Since that time, you can’t hardly find a case anywhere in the world where Jews were selectively killed because of their religion.

Second, there is Palestinian Moslem Arab hostility to ISRAEL, the Jewish state. This hostility has created cycle of violence and terrorism that has both political and religious roots. During the past fifty years, the Christians were solidly behind the Jewish state and the Jewish people with moral, financial, diplomatic, and military supports. For a Jew to be so arrogant to blame the Christian people for anti-Semitism in today’s world, it is simply the heights of hysteria and irresponsibility.

Third, Moslems throughout their history have targeted and killed Christians, simply for religion reason. Historically, there were cases where Christians under the crusaders leadership counter-attacked the Moslems, but that was several hundred years ago. However, in recent history (past fifty years) there has never been Christians killing Moslems or Jews, just for their religion. Granted, there was hostility in Bosnia, and Kosovo between Moslems, and Christians, but the Christians of the West sided with the Moslems.

Now back to the paranoia of some of the Jewish people regarding the Passion of the Christ; the label of anti-Semitism is dispensed so freely and undeservingly to otherwise good Christian people, who for some reason or another "some" Jewish fanatics don't like their attitude. If you can reflect on how many times you have heard the label of anti-Semitism thrown against some American or European people, and show me the number of Jews killed by these Christian people. The facts are ZERO killing. If Pat Buchanan criticized Israel policies, he is labeled Anti-Semitic. Pat, or Mel Gibson, or even Mel Gibson's father, as far as I know did not kill one single Jew, and fully supports Israel rights.

In today paper: 48 Christian people were killed in Nigeria as they ran to seek refuge in their church by militant Moslems. In the past ten years there was, and still is a systematic holocaust of Christians by Moslems in the Sudan. Millions have been killed. Millions! How do we compare the systematic killing of Christians by the fanatic Moslems throughout the world, with killing of Jews anywhere around the world – recently? I have to submit that the cases where Jews are killed because they are Jews are practically non-existing any more, while the cases of Christians slaughtering are going on every day; hundreds in some countries, thousands in other countries, and MILLIONS in the Sudan.

Christians and Jews should thank God for having the commonsense to live peacefully together. Jews must abandon the hysteria of Anti-Semitism, and work together with the Christians to highlight the agony of the Christian minorities throughout the world under the barbaric Moslem oppressions. Christians and Jews are the target of Moslem terrorism, and should never lose focus.

339 posted on 02/27/2004 8:24:16 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
Its to be noted how the Quran and commentary works by their Immans and clerics identifies..takes all issue points and unifies the tought stream into a mesmerizing cadence....like *Al Harb..[House of War].
Islam has 2 battle colors..which are entwined in the many flags of Islamic nations.
Most chose the *Black Flag of the Mahdi..but there are White battle flags with written script too.
We see them hanging in the background during interviews with Jihadi..and few notice what is being said.
The interview may be in English for consumption..but the flag in the background says...well you guessed it.

This is the truth of the war on terror most gov's are not willing to face.
wether Jihadi go active and kill infidel....the majority of Islam stands by the flags and the script.

To deny this..is to deny all..and they can't.
Lying and deception are not offensive principles ..they are to be used like tools to defeat the infidel.

so..how do you reason with a juggernaut machine which supports your demise..whether its done in actuallity..or by tacit approval by the onlooker.

In southern Iraq..a few Shia clerics have enlarged themselves with their new freedom..and what has occured is chilling.
thousands and thousands of emotional jihadi wearing green head bands..chanting death too...
Hizbullah was the first kodak of this Hitler brownshirts thingy in the early 80's.....today it pours into the vacumn in Iraq.

This is the same dynamic which has been in Africa...has spawned or embraced Mahdism..and lead to the deaths of millions.

If this crowd gets WMD...look out.
its not in their psychy to feel sorry for the death of anyone in the way....muslims are expunged in great numbers if they are seen as non commited to the great cause.

The war on terror has a home front..it is the mosque.

342 posted on 02/27/2004 8:51:35 AM PST by Light Speed
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To: philosofy123
Jews have very long memories.

Every week observant Jews celebrate the holiday of the Sabbath, commemorating the creation of the world, and once a year, other holidays centered around more recent events in our history, such as our escape from slavery in ancient Egypt.

Given this, it should not be surprising that we also remember that in 1555, Pope Paul IV published a Bull that stressed that we, the "Christ-killers," were by nature slaves and should be so treated, or that in 1581, Pope Gregory XIII said that our guilt regarding Jesus' death grew deeper with time, requiring our perpetual slavery. We also remember the anti-Jewish quotas at US universities that persisted into the early 20th Century.

In fact, there are Jews alive today who remember having the "christ killer" epithet hurled at them while either fleeing from or recieving a beating by zealous Christian bullies.

Now, I do recognize the pronounced irony in this position, the Church simultaneously stating that Jesus Christ "freely suffered death for us in complete and free submission to the will of God, his Father," and that "by his death he has conquered death, and so opened the possibility of salvation to all men,"1 while on the other hand reviling Jews for our supposed role in his death, and that "christ killer" has no place in a modern understanding of Christianity.

But I don't think that it is entirely unjustified, given the place of that epithet in living memory and recent history (less than 500 years ago), for Jews to express concern about how people who have never read the Catholic Catechism and don't even really understand their professed faith might interpret this film, or about what kind of overt or subtextual message is presented in the film.

That expression of concern isn't an accusation.

Personally, I tend to agree with the JPFO press release - there's people out there who, film or no film, will hate Jews and want to do us harm. Our so-called Jewish leaders should focus on the real threats to Jews, such as Arab fundamentalism, the Palestinian Authority, and Saudi Arabia, rather than on Mel Gibson and his cinematic profession of Christian faith.


1 Catechism of the Catholic Church, Item 1019
349 posted on 02/27/2004 9:05:53 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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